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The FBI Seized Heirlooms, Coins, and Cash From Hundreds of Safe Deposit Boxes in Beverly Hills, Despite Knowing 'Some' Belonged to 'Honest Citizens'
Victims of the FBI's constitutionally dubious raid say they've been told to come forward and identify themselves if they want their stuff back.

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Dagny discovered that the FBI had seized the contents of her safe deposit box—about $100,000 in gold and silver coins, some family heirlooms like a diamond necklace inherited from her late grandmother, and an engagement ring she'd promised to pass down to her daughter—almost by accident.

She'd been asked by a friend to recommend a convenient and secure location for keeping some valuables. Dagny searched Yelp to find the phone number for U.S. Private Vaults, a Beverly Hills facility where she'd rented a safe deposit box since 2017. That's when she saw the bad news.

"Permanently closed."

After a brief moment of panic, some phone calls, and several days, Dagny and her husband Howard (pseudonyms used at their request to maintain privacy during ongoing legal proceedings) figured out what happened. On March 22, the FBI had raided U.S. Private Vaults. The federal agents were armed with a warrant allowing them to seize property belonging to the company as part of a criminal investigation—and even though the warrant explicitly exempted the safe deposit boxes in the company's vaults, they were taken too. More than 800 were seized.

Howard tells Reason there was no attempt made by the FBI to contact him, his wife, or their heirs—despite the fact that contact information was taped to the top of their box. Six weeks later, the couple is still waiting for their property to be returned. (Both individuals are supporters of Reason Foundation, the nonprofit that publishes this website.)

The FBI and federal prosecutors have "no authority to continue holding the possessions of some 800 bystanders who are not alleged to have been involved in whatever USPV may have done wrong," Benjamin Gluck, a California attorney who is representing several of the people caught up in the FBI's raid of U.S. Private Vaults, tells Reason.

Legal efforts to force the FBI to return the items seized during the March 22 raid have so far been unsuccessful, but at least five lawsuits are pending in federal court.

A federal grand jury indicted U.S. Private Vaults (USPV) on counts of conspiracy to distribute drugs, launder money, and avoid mandatory deposit reporting requirements.

In legal filings, federal prosecutors have admitted that "some" of the company's customers were "honest citizens," but contend that "the majority of the box-holders are criminals who used USPV's anonymity to hide their ill-gotten wealth."

Whatever the original motivation for the raid, the FBI's seizure of hundreds of safe deposit boxes held by U.S. Private Vaults raises serious Fourth and Fifth Amendment issues. In order to have the contents of their boxes returned, federal authorities are asking owners to come forward, identify themselves, and describe their possessions. Some owners may be unwilling to do that—U.S. Private Vaults allowed anonymous rentals of safe-deposit boxes—while others may rightfully object to being subjected to the scrutiny of federal law enforcement when they have done nothing wrong.

"The constitution does not abide guilt by association," argues Robert Frommer, an attorney with the Institute for Justice, a libertarian law firm, in an op-ed published by The Orange County Register.

"What the government has done here is completely backward," writes Frommer. "The government cannot search every apartment in a building because the landlord is involved in a crime. After all, when somebody rents an apartment, that apartment is theirs."

Indeed, the unsealed warrant authorizing the raid of U.S. Private Vaults granted the FBI permission to seize the business's computers, money counters, security cameras, and "nests" of safe deposit boxes—the large steel frames that effectively act as bookshelves for the boxes themselves.

Importantly, the warrant "does not authorize a criminal search or seizure of the contents of the safe-deposit boxes," according to a copy of the warrant contained in court filings. The warrant also states that it "authorize[s] the seizure of the nests of the boxes themselves, not their contents."

[OP notes: But FBI seized them anyway, opened each box, cataloged the contents, and now demands owners come forward and prove their lack of involvement in USPVs criminal behavior! Unbelievable!]

But the FBI's own policies seem to have allowed a roundabout legal rationale for seizing the boxes as well. Agents are required to take into custody any property that could otherwise be stolen or left "in a dangerous manner" after carrying out a warrant. To put it in the context of a simpler situation: If the FBI seized a truck carrying cargo, it would not simply dump the cargo on the side of the road. Instead, there is a specific procedure for law enforcement to follow, which involves identifying and notifying rightful property owners, as well as securing the property.

In court filings, however, Gluck and other attorneys representing anonymous plaintiffs argue that the seizure of the nests "does not appear to be the government's true purpose here."

"A reasonable person could easily conclude that taking and searching the contents of the boxes was the true purpose of the USPV seizure, not just an unintended but unavoidable byproduct as the government seeks to portray and justify it," they write.

Now that the FBI has nearly 1,000 safe deposit boxes in its custody, anyone who comes forward to identify themselves and claim their possessions risks becoming the target of a criminal investigation. The U.S. Attorney's Office for the Central District of California told the Los Angeles Daily Journal, a legal industry publication, last month that "each box is being considered on a case-by-case basis, and we will investigate the boxes, or claims made on them" to determine if "the contents are related to criminal activity."

Attorneys for the plaintiffs argue that this amounts to an admission that prosecutors intend "to use any information gleaned in the claims process in order to conduct criminal investigations." U.S. Private Vaults had assured its customers that their anonymity would be protected, and people could have valid, non-criminal reasons for wanting to keep their identities a secret.

The rights violations are bad enough, but the FBI raid seems to have had serious procedural shortcomings as well. One 80-year-old woman represented by Gluck—and identified in court documents only as "Linda R."—may have lost a significant portion of her life savings due to what legal filings say are shoddy inventories of the safe deposit boxes' contents.

In a lawsuit filed on April 26, Linda R.'s attorneys argue that the FBI "failed to account for or return" 40 gold coins worth an estimated $75,000 that had been stored in a safe deposit box housed at U.S. Private Vaults. Department of Justice documentation detailing the contents of Linda's box makes note of "miscellaneous coins" without any specific amounts or other identification of the coins—Linda's attorneys note that the description could apply to everything from a pair of pennies to a box full of 1933 double eagle gold coins, some of the rarest and most valuable coins ever minted. For now, it remains unclear whether the government even possesses an accurate accounting of what was in her safe deposit box when it was seized.

Despite the broad claims of criminality from prosecutors, Linda has been charged with no crimes but may have lost tens of thousands of dollars of her retirement savings anyway. Even if the FBI's raid of U.S. Private Vaults eventually uncovers criminal activity relating to some of the safe-deposit boxes stored there, that hardly seems to justify the potential losses incurred by innocent bystanders like Linda, who kept her retirement savings there because she distrusted the banking system, according to court filings.

"It was improper that the government seized these possessions in the first place, unconscionable that they are using them as hostages to pressure owners to divulge private information, and outrageous that they apparently treated the possessions so carelessly that they seem to have lost at least some of them," Gluck tells Reason.

Jeffrey B. Isaacs, an attorney for another anonymous customer of U.S. Private Vaults—identified in court records as "James Poe"—tells the Los Angeles Times that the FBI's raid is "as illegal a search and seizure as I've ever seen."

For Dagny and Howard, the situation seems particularly cruel. They'd rented the box at U.S. Private Vaults after having their home burgled several years ago. They have the key and rental agreement for the box—and, Howard notes, they paid for the box with a credit card, hardly the sort of thing you'd do if you were trying to hide your identity from the feds or engage in criminal conduct. None of that has made a difference so far.

Because this time, the burglars wore badges.


Unbelievable.





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Looks like it's alleged to be part of a money laundering group, they owned a gold company next door, would supposedly take customers cash and convert it to gold in smaller amounts on a daily basis to clean the money.

Still some customers are getting caught up in the raid, be interesting to see how the courts play out, there are several suits in federal court, and anyone coming to claim a box could be subjecting themselves to arrest... Nothing like having to snitch on yourself..
 
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No way I would put my trust in something like U.S. Private Vaults.

Sounds like some of it was also used as a "safe drug place" to me.

"The indictment names U.S. Private Vaults Inc., which is based in Nevada, but does not name its owner or any employees. It lists three counts alleging the company allowed customers to store controlled substances such as oxycontin, fentanyl and other drugs in safe deposit boxes; that it conspired to offer safe deposit boxes for the purpose of hiding currency, gold and other valuables from the government; and that at least one employee was involved with arranging sales of cocaine, marijuana and hash oil at the site.

Agents from the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Drug Enforcement Administration served a search warrant at the business on March 22 and seized drugs, firearms and large amounts of gold bullion and cash, including “stacks of $100 bills,” among other valuables, from the safe deposit boxes.

“The largest boxes typically contained over $1 million in cash each. Drug-detecting dogs alerted [law enforcement officers] to most of the stashes of cash, but not all,” read an affidavit in support of the indictment, which further explained that dogs helped agents locate some of the money and the agents found other currency on their own during the search."

https://beverlypress.com/2021/...-u-s-private-vaults/
 
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Very ironic commericial for the company.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...nnel=USPrivateVaults
 
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No way I would put my trust in something like U.S. Private Vaults.

Sounds like some of it was also used as a "safe drug place" to me.



But you put your trust in your local bank's safe deposit boxes where these very same activities occur regularly? I have never heard of a bank having all of its boxes seized as a result of the behavior of bank officials or other customers.

If the owner of this business broke the law, charge them. Why is the government taking assets from people who are not accused of any crime, and then suggesting that they prove the contents are legitimately theirs in order to get it back?

Which brings up another point about banks. Guess who gets the assets stored within a safe deposit box if they go unclaimed? The government.


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One more reason I no longer use a bank deposit box - not even for storing offsite legal documents

Also - in other times I would of been surprised by the FBI doing this and would have a hard time believing the story - being the FBI and a premier law agency of days gone by.

Now? FBI is run by the honk honkler's of clown world, a real three ring show and all in law enforcement.
 
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The indictment names U.S. Private Vaults Inc., which is based in Nevada, but does not name its owner or any employees. It lists three counts alleging the company allowed customers to store controlled substances such as oxycontin, fentanyl and other drugs in safe deposit boxes; that it conspired to offer safe deposit boxes for the purpose of hiding currency, gold and other valuables from the government; and that at least one employee was involved with arranging sales of cocaine, marijuana and hash oil at the site.


Has any bank been raided, the vaults taken and held by the FBI when they suspected that illicit gains, drugs etc were in those boxes?

It appears to be tactic like civil forfeiture is used on travelers with cash on highways... take the assets and make the people prove it's legal instead of proving it's illegal first...
 
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Comrade, Come to KGB headquarters, conveniently located next to the Gulag, and claim your possessions...
 
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Not unbelievable at all. Totally beleivable. I tell people constantly... Federal LE is not respecter of persons or rules. They are agenda driven, and will do whatever they want to whomever they want, DAMN the rules and constitution. Never trust a bank. Trust a credit union even less. They are powerless to protect you, and it isn't why they exist. They exist to make money. Use them at your own peril. I work with most national banks every day. Anyone who has seen the inside of the banking system, is typically quite hesitant and careful about how they trust banks. Your money is not your money the second it leaves your hands.


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Guess who gets the assets stored within a safe deposit box if they go unclaimed? The government.

Not just safe deposit boxes. Financial accounts can also 'escheat' to the government (usually the state) through inactivity.

The good news there is that you can search state records to find escheated assets, and file papers to reclaim them. Relatively simple and easy once you know to search.

OTOH, here the FBI does not look like they are making reclaiming either simple or easy.
 
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Thank God its in Kali. But back to the story, the same thing happened during the depression when banks went belly up. The Feds came in and stole everything that was left. Being the box holder means nothing. You had to prove to their satisfaction the stuff was yours. Otherwise it became theirs. They're nothing but thieves.


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Thank God its in Kali. But back to the story, the same thing happened during the depression when banks went belly up. The Feds came in and stole everything that was left. Being the box holder means nothing. You had to prove to their satisfaction the stuff was yours. Otherwise it became theirs. They're nothing but thieves.


I have heard stories from older people long ago that people became so distrustful, they used to bury silver coins in mason jars on their property, usually under a fence post.


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Agents from the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Drug Enforcement Administration served a search warrant at the business on March 22 and seized drugs, firearms and large amounts of gold bullion and cash, including “stacks of $100 bills,” among other valuables, from the safe deposit boxes.


Aside from the drugs, what else would you expect to find in safe deposit boxes?

They're going to have one very angry federal judge on their hands if they used their policy to expand the scope of the search beyond what the warrant allowed. They should have left the boxes locked, sealed them with security tape (while recording on video), and then contacted the owners to pick up their property. Breaking into locked boxes in order to inventory is absurd.
 
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Comrade, Come to KGB headquarters, conveniently located next to the Gulag, and claim your possessions...


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If you had quite a bit of cash in one and got it back from the feds, would this then be somehow reported to the irs?
 
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They're going to have one very angry federal judge on their hands if they used their policy to expand the scope of the search beyond what the warrant allowed. They should have left the boxes locked, sealed them with security tape (while recording on video), and then contacted the owners to pick up their property. Breaking into locked boxes in order to inventory is absurd.


The Fibs will give their best Andrew Jackson impersonation answer to that judge. “Let him enforce it”

That’s the problem, there appears to be no accountability at all to anybody of agents running wild in every agency. Until quite a few are very publicly summarily fired with no pension and possibly some legit jail time for violating civil rights while on duty nothing will change.
 
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In legal filings, federal prosecutors have admitted that "some" of the company's customers were "honest citizens," but contend that "the majority of the box-holders are criminals who used USPV's anonymity to hide their ill-gotten wealth."

Whatever the original motivation for the raid, the FBI's seizure of hundreds of safe deposit boxes held by U.S. Private Vaults raises serious Fourth and Fifth Amendment issues. In order to have the contents of their boxes returned, federal authorities are asking owners to come forward, identify themselves, and describe their possessions. Some owners may be unwilling to do that—U.S. Private Vaults allowed anonymous rentals of safe-deposit boxes—while others may rightfully object to being subjected to the scrutiny of federal law enforcement when they have done nothing wrong.

"The constitution does not abide guilt by association," argues Robert Frommer, an attorney with the Institute for Justice, a libertarian law firm, in an op-ed published by The Orange County Register.

"What the government has done here is completely backward," writes Frommer. "The government cannot search every apartment in a building because the landlord is involved in a crime. After all, when somebody rents an apartment, that apartment is theirs."

Typical corrupt Dept of Injustice assholes. Yup, we don't give a fuck. We'll just round up every box. You need to prove your innocence.


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Time to disband the FBI. They’ve shown us citizens their true colors over the past 6 years.
 
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