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The IRS = THE IRS = THEIRS | |||
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safe & sound |
Updated reporting suggests that (prepare to be shocked) the FBI was up to no good! https://ij.org/press-release/l...-owners-with-crimes/
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Gone but Together Again. Dad & Uncle |
^^^Incredible. | |||
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delicately calloused |
Not so incredible anymore. You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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Still finding my way |
I just bury my shit nowadays. Then I make a cryptic map laden with secret booby traps leading back to the stash. | |||
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Optimistic Cynic |
Who will be surprised when the major contributors to a certain political party get their items returned without charges or an investigation, while the less politically influential are run through the meat grinder, and lose their wealth entirely? Maybe there will be an option to purchase a get out of jail free card, and this is nothing more than a fund raising effort for the upcoming re-election campaign? | |||
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Void Where Prohibited |
I wanted some pi, but then decided it was irrational. "If Gun Control worked, Chicago would look like Mayberry, not Thunderdome" - Cam Edwards | |||
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Um, WaterburyBob, I thik you're in the wrong pew. ____________________ | |||
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Unapologetic Old School Curmudgeon |
Your stash could be the next Oak Island show in 100 years Don't weep for the stupid, or you will be crying all day | |||
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Savor the limelight |
He’s in that other thread wondering where his post went. The FBI stealing people’s safe deposit boxes should really make people think. The government has a lot of rules in place that people can get tripped up on. Gift taxes being one of them. I see you have a Rolex Daytona in your safe deposit box. You say it was a gift from your father? Why didn’t you file a gift tax return? | |||
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Watch Nevada Highway Patrol Officers Seize a Veteran's Life Savings Through Asset Forfeiture The officers admit there's nothing illegal about carrying large amounts of cash, then take almost $90,000 from him anyway. https://reason.com/2021/12/01/...gh-asset-forfeiture/ "I just want to tell you Officer Brown, you're taking money out of my kids' mouths," Stephen Lara said as Nevada Highway Patrol officers confiscated his life savings. Police pulled over Lara near Reno on February 19. After he consented to a search, the officers discovered nearly $90,000 in bundled cash in Lara's backpack. Although Lara was not arrested or charged with a crime, the officers claimed the money was drug trafficking proceeds and seized through a practice known as civil asset forfeiture. The government has since agreed to return Lara's money, and on Tuesday, the Institute for Justice, a libertarian-leaning public interest law firm, released body camera footage of the February 19 traffic stop, calling it a "rare glimpse into an abuse of power that thousands of innocent Americans experience each year." The Washington Post first reported in September on Lara's case after the Institute for Justice filed a lawsuit on Lara's behalf against the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), where his money had been sitting for more than six months since that traffic stop. "I left there confused. I left there angry," Lara told the Post. "And I could not believe that I had just been literally robbed on the side of the road by people with badges and guns." A Nevada Highway Patrol stopped Lara over near Reno for following too close to a semi-truck and traveling under the speed limit. Lara, a Marine combat veteran, was driving from Texas to California to visit his two daughters for the weekend, he said. After asking Lara several questions about his background, the officer almost sheepishly explained that he was also doing drug interdiction work and asked Lara if he had any guns, drugs, or cash in his car. Lara admitted he had cash. A lot of it. "I don't trust banks, so I keep my own money," Lara responded when asked why. He then gave the officer permission to search his car. On paper, Lara fit the profile of a trafficker. He was driving a rental car for a short-turnaround, long-distance trip with a huge amount of cash, $87,000 in fact. Civil asset forfeiture laws allow police to seize property suspected of being connected to criminal activity without charging the owner with a crime. Law enforcement groups say civil forfeiture is vital for drug interdiction because it allows them to target traffickers' illicit proceeds. But there's also nothing illegal about traveling domestically with large amounts of cash, a fact the officer acknowledges. "So, as you know, right—I'm a vet, he's a vet, you're a vet—it's not illegal to carry currency or have currency," the officer says. "It does make us ask questions about why someone has $100,000. I can understand why someone doesn't trust banks in this day and age." "I have nothing to hide from you," Lara responded. In fact, he had years of bank receipts documenting cash withdrawals. With no probable cause to seize the cash, a Nevada Highway Patrol sergeant who arrived on the scene ordered a drug-sniffing dog to be brought in. The dog alerted on the cash, and the officers announced that they would be seizing it as probable drug proceeds. Civil liberties organizations like the American Civil Liberties Union and the Institute for Justice say that cases like Lara's show how police use civil forfeiture to seize property on flimsy suspicions. The owners, who are never charged with a crime, then bear the burden of going to court to prove their innocence, or rather the innocence of their property, to be precise. "Carrying around cash is not a crime," Wesley Hottot, a senior attorney at the Institute for Justice, said in a press release. "Stephen did nothing wrong. He isn't charged with any crime and the government isn't even willing to defend this seizure in court. Innocent people shouldn't lose their property like this. Around 35 states have passed some form of asset forfeiture reform over the past decade based on these concerns. Four states—Nebraska, New Mexico, North Carolina, and Maine—have abolished civil forfeiture entirely and now require a conviction before property can be forfeited. The reason Lara sued the DEA is because of a wrinkle in forfeiture laws. The DEA works with state and local police on drug interdiction efforts, and federal law enforcement can "adopt" forfeiture cases from them, moving the cases to federal court. In return, the local police department gets a cut of the forfeiture proceeds, up to 80 percent. While the Nevada Highway Patrol officers were debating what to do with Lara's cash, one of them was on the phone with a DEA agent. Opponents of asset forfeiture say such adoptions are a loophole that allows state and local police to sidestep stricter state laws and requirements for civil forfeiture. The Institute for Justice estimates that the Nevada Highway Patrol stood to gain $70,000 from the federal forfeiture of Lara's cash. Former Attorney General Eric Holder restricted when federal law enforcement could adopt local forfeiture cases in 2015, but in 2017, then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions rescinded those rules. After about an hour and a half after Lara was first pulled over, the officers left him on the side of the road with a receipt of seizure and a number for a DEA agent. "That money I have in my jacket is only a few dollars," Lara told them. "I have no money to pay for my kids' meals, my hotel, or even to get that car back to Texas." The Institute for Justice says Lara had to get his brother to wire him money so he could continue his trip. It was only after Lara sued the DEA for blowing its deadline to either give him his cash back or file a forfeiture case against it in federal court, and only after The Washington Post post reported on his case, that the government agreed to return his money. Lara is still pursuing lawsuits against the DEA and the Nevada Highway Patrol. "I find it even more concerning that if this could happen to me, as a combat veteran who served overseas in Iraq and Afghanistan, this could happen to anybody," Lara says in the Institute for Justice video. The Nevada Highway Patrol did not immediately return a request for comment. _________________________ "Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." Mark Twain | |||
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Web Clavin Extraordinaire |
The Youtube channel Lehto's Law has had some good coverage of the FBI box seizure story from the first reporting of it to this new update. I'm pretty sure he's also covered the story about the guy who got his money seized while doing nothing wrong. ---------------------------- Chuck Norris put the laughter in "manslaughter" Educating the youth of America, one declension at a time. | |||
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Memphis Bought up or used imminent domain for The Charjean buyout area to take a bunch of houses around the airport. One guy would not move as he lived there most of his life and the airport noise didn’t bother him. The city threatened several times and once a bunch of Militia groups came in and helped prevent the bulldozing of his house. The city backed off and let things die down and one day while he was at work they moved everything out of his house and tore it down. He had a lot of gold and coins that they seized and wanted to know how he acquired it all. He told them it was none of their business. I never did hear if he got all his stuff back. Never trust the government as they will twist everything to their advantage. They did not know which boxes were used for criminal activities so take them all and either the good citizens will claim their property but those that don’t try to claim will be investigated or the government will just keep their stuff and put it in the coffers _____________________ "We're going to die. Some people are scared of dying. Never be afraid to die. Because you're born to die," Walter Breuning 114 years old | |||
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Savor the limelight |
^Amateurs. Mayor Daley of Chicago once ordered the overnight destruction of an entire airport. He had a bunch of excavators brought in unannounced on a Sunday night and they carved giant Xs across and down the entire concrete runway. | |||
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Merril C. Meigs field, I remember seeing that happen on the news. To prevent a 9/11 style attack on Chicago he said...... | |||
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Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
It made a heck of a moderate density development. Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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