I have an idea lets pipe all cow asses and use that to propell us wearing roller blades in a tube supported by the vacuum AOC has between her ears.

I’m with Leemur: Follow the money.

This guy loves to tout his progressive credentials; he was Mayor of San Francisco; and is now Governor.

I doubt he’s turning off the spigot. He’s just redirecting the money into the pockets of his friends and contributors.

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I've got a better idea... Give me an inch and you'll get your high speed rail.

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Originally posted by ChicagoSigMan:
$77 billion for a train from LA to SF.... it is hard to fathom how anyone could have ever seriously considered such a proposal.

First you quantify abstracts that you call "social goods" or "social benefits". Since they're abstracts, like "community" and "lowered carbon footprint" and "maybe more people will do more buisness" and "tourists will come from miles around just to be amazed by this", then you can "quantify" them by pulling numbers out of your ass.

Then - and this is what liberals consider a stroke of genius - you assign dollar values to them. It doesn't really matter what dollar values you assign to them since you're pulling the whole thing out of your ass anyway, so go ahead and price 'em to the stars!

Then you tell everyone that makes a high-speed railroad worth $77 billion, even though the existing railroads in your state are either barely making a buck or losing money on those lines because they (hopefully) feed more buisness to your more profitable lines.

Then, when someone challenges your bullshit made-up numbers, sit back with a beatific and long-suffering look on your face and tell the truth - "I don't know how you put a price in mere dollars on community and saving the earth." And then you lie, because you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about anyway, and say - "Those things are worth infinitely more than money to me."

Then you run for re-election or for election to a higher office.

https://abc7news.com/politics/...tween-sf-la/5135534/

Aaaaaaaaand he changed his mind. Or rather his staff says he changed his mind.

This fucking state is a circus.

The thought of operating a high tech high speed rail line between Merced and Bakersfield is absolutely silly. There is no way that would ever be viable.

On several occasions I’ve considered Amtrak from my town of Modesto to LA, but it doesn’t make sense. Too much money, less flexibility, and you have to disembark and hop a bus over the grapevine anyway.

A high speed line from Manteca do the Bay makes much more sense and might, just maybe, have a better chance at actually pulling paying customers in.

Then there’s the “We’ve spent so much money on the project, we just can’t throw it away.”
There was a plan to expand the Seattle monorail. Again, the promises were overblown and the stated costs low. Then reality set in. The last gasp was to point out how much money had already been spent and how it would all be lost.

That's not Green!!!

That's NOT new!!!!

That's definitely NOT a deal!!!

Traitors!!!

WE NEED RAILS ACROSS THE OCEAN!!!!

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Originally posted by Icabod:
Then there’s the “We’ve spent so much money on the project, we just can’t throw it away.”
There was a plan to expand the Seattle monorail. Again, the promises were overblown and the stated costs low. Then reality set in. The last gasp was to point out how much money had already been spent and how it would all be lost.

Good money after bad is still bad money. I experienced this while restoring my first muscle car. At some point it becomes a money pit and the same illogic that keeps a losing gambler at the slot machines, drives the kid 'restoring' the car to throw good money after bad.

77 billion would buy a bunch of 737's and still have operating money to fly nothing but LA-SF

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Originally posted by darthfuster:

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Originally posted by Icabod:
Then there’s the “We’ve spent so much money on the project, we just can’t throw it away.”
There was a plan to expand the Seattle monorail. Again, the promises were overblown and the stated costs low. Then reality set in. The last gasp was to point out how much money had already been spent and how it would all be lost.

Good money after bad is still bad money. I experienced this while restoring my first muscle car. At some point it becomes a money pit and the same illogic that keeps a losing gambler at the slot machines, drives the kid 'restoring' the car to throw good money after bad.

At least then you’re having fun restoring a car.

I'm not sure he has the legal authority to cancel it. The project was approved by ballot initiative and I don't see how Gavin can unilaterally undo the proposition.

By the same token, if I were a farmer who had land taken because of this, I'd sue to get my land back since the overall stated purpose will not materialize.

Perhaps it's just the semantics of saying the project is still a go and all of our efforts will be focused on the Bakersfield and Merced line. I still have no idea when that is supposed to be done.

Since when does a Cali commie leader factor cost into any projects?

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Originally posted by KevinCW:
That's not Green!!!

That's NOT new!!!!

That's definitely NOT a deal!!!

Traitors!!!

WE NEED RAILS ACROSS THE OCEAN!!!!

Under the ocean, Kev, under the ocean.

Read The Trans-Atlantic Tunnel! Hurrah!! by Harry Harrison. You'll see where Elon Musk got his hyperloop idea.

Misdirection and slight of hand, nothing more. Trump needs to call him on it publicly and demand the taxpayers money back, or threaten cutting off all future federal money. Hell, threaten prosecution if Kalifornia refuses and expose the money laundering about to be set in motion.

There was talk a few years back in Ohio about a High Speed rail between Cleveland and Cincy. It didn't take long that other cities in between on the route wanted the train to stop there also. It was figured that a train leaving Cleveland and stopping at several in between cities that the stopping at each(slowing down and wait times) the average travel time of the train would be 39 miles an hour. The idea has been scrubbed,------so far.When politicians get an idea in their heads it never really goes away.

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Originally posted by sigcrazy7: There will be nobody, and I mean NOBODY, who will be taking this train from Merced to Bakersfield.

Perfect to get food to farmers markets! Fresh Central Valley fruit. Live chickens in open wooden slat cages. Foothills marijuana.

Isn't Feinstein's husband, Richard Blum, neck deep in this boondoggle? Yeah, I wouldn't expect any sunlight here while either of them are still alive.

Rails to Trails

Buckboard wagons are natural. Oh, wait!! Horses fart!!!