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November 12, 2022, 03:21 PM
oddball
Terrible.
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November 12, 2022, 03:23 PM
radioman
Very sad. Seems to happen too often. The Reno air races tragedy is still on my mind too.
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November 12, 2022, 03:36 PM
OKCGene
How did one plane not see the other? Wow!
Waiting for Blancolorio's video to hear his thoughts. .
November 12, 2022, 03:36 PM
12131
Holy crap! The video gives the appearance that the P-63 wasn't even seeing the B-17 and just flew right into it.
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November 12, 2022, 03:41 PM
4MUL8R
To lose a P63 is even worse, from a historic aircraft point of view. So sorry for the families. Just out for a nice afternoon of flying, and now this.
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November 12, 2022, 03:43 PM
kkina
quote:
Holy crap! The video gives the appearance that the P-63 wasn't even seeing the B-17 and just flew right into it.
Eyewitness testimony mentioned in the article corroborates that...
"One man who was at the air show said the P-63 was banking left at the time and had the B17 in his blind spot so he could not prepare for the impending crash."
That's not good....gotta wonder what's going on with air traffic control and who didn't stay in their assigned lane.
November 12, 2022, 03:45 PM
medic451
P63 was turning to rejoin and had his belly toward the B17, so the pilot lost sight of it.
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November 12, 2022, 04:02 PM
nhracecraft
quote:
Originally posted by 12131: Holy crap! The video gives the appearance that the P-63 wasn't even seeing the B-17 and just flew right into it.
WOW! The P63 cut the B17 in half, impacting directly through the center of the fuselage. The back half of the B17 can be seen mid-air, separated from the from half of the plane!
VERY Sad for all involved; pilots, crew, families...
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November 12, 2022, 04:16 PM
tigereye313
Man that sucks. I saw them at Wings over Houston three weeks ago.
November 12, 2022, 04:44 PM
Fly-Sig
Apparently the B-17 pilot and copilot and the P-63 pilot were all UAL. So they're experienced pilots who do a lot of communicating in the cockpit about what they're doing and what they are expecting.
No word yet on the flight engineer in the B-17, or any other passengers.
Terrible day for everyone involved.
November 12, 2022, 05:00 PM
OKCGene
There are quite a few other videos, all from different angles, on the internet now. Some are much closer and at a better angle.
That's the advantage of everybody having a phone camera with immediate internet access.
November 12, 2022, 05:01 PM
Hound Dog
That is sickening to see. There can be no survivors.
I don't generally like knee jerk reactions, but maybe it is time to ground the big warbirds. . .
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November 12, 2022, 05:06 PM
Didls
Terrible loss of life and heritage. We pray for those lost pilots and passengers.
November 12, 2022, 05:09 PM
gw3971
Damn. Can't be but a couple of still flying B17s. Terrible loss of planes and their crews.
November 12, 2022, 05:24 PM
OKCGene
DFW area tv WFAA.com is stating it is believed 6 are dead, 5 on the B-17 and 1 on the Bell P-63. They also report that apparently there were no paying passengers onboard, crew only.
BTW it is also reported that the plane is named the Texas Raider. .
November 12, 2022, 05:39 PM
furlough
Looks to me like someone wasn't where they were supposed to be.
That P-63 guy was high-speed and chasing the two previous fighters. Belly-up to the B-17 and never knew he was there. Shitty day.
Had a buddy at UAL tell me the P-63 guy was a 777 Captain with them. Have not heard about the B-17 guys.
One video I saw showed that if they had hit a few seconds earlier the B-17 would have crashed on top of a McDonalds.
Hate to see this.
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