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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
Exactly what I believe and consistent with my experience. The information off of the Voyage Data Recorder for the container ship would be interesting to see. Specifically the conversation on the bridge before and after the collision. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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| california tumbles into the sea |
I wouldn't say impossible, but the containers are probably in the line of sight (pic from the op article):  | |||
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| Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
No, at night, it would be impossible to see that damage from the bridge. Impossible. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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| california tumbles into the sea |
They are reporting on information on hand, with no speculation due to further discussions and other opinions - that's what I call sound reporting, vice speculating. The facts are locked down, on the Navy side at least. | |||
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| Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
The information at hand conflicts with that given time, even from official sources like the Japanese Coast Guard. They are reporting 0230 as fact. It should be reporting that there is a discrepancy at the very least. Sound reporting my muscular butt... ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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| california tumbles into the sea |
Not true, having seen container ships lit up at night like christmas trees. Especially those sheep / livestock carriers - that look like high rise apartments with all of the individual cages lit up - at night. | |||
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| california tumbles into the sea |
Vice speculating. Hold your horses. This isn't russia. Is this russia? | |||
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The Daily Mail has an article up that an "expert" believes the Crystal was on auto pilot when the crash happened, which certainly doesn't excuse why the Fitzgerald didn't track and take evasive actions. He also concurs that the crash occurred at the 1:30 mark and not 2:20. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...erald-collision.html As an aside, I find it interesting that those containers didn't shift a bit from the crash. | |||
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They did a Williamson turn, which is a turn to bring a ship back to the same point while under power (without stopping and reversing which would take a long time in a freighter) In order for a ship to get back to the same spot, you steer to starboard 60 degrees for a period of time/distance (depending on your speed, turning radius, and length) and then make a sharp left turn to make a 180 and you will end up in the same spot. If you make an immediate hard right or left turn you will end up far behind whatever it is you hit or the MOB. | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process  |
 Looking from the bow back to the bridge, can you see it? Vice versa? My guess is no, even in broad daylight. It ~700', too. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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| Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
They are not going to light up the deck underway in the middle of a busy shipping lane. And even if they did, I doubt they would still be able to see anything. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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| wishing we were congress |
The Navy might be in a bit of a bind. If DDG 62 reported the collision as 0220, Navy will be very careful and absolutely sure before they publicly say something in conflict with the ship. Big stakes are on the table. Sailors have died. Hundreds of millions of damage has been done. | |||
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In lieu of not having a line of sight from the bridge, are there not cameras at strategic points on a ship of this size? | |||
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| california tumbles into the sea |
Picture FITZGERALD next to her, and the height of her damage - she was lifted up by ACX Crystal's bulbous bow to make contact that high up (my speculation). | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process |
That's not a Williamson turn. That is used typically for man overboard situations where time is important. You wouldn't go barreling off for 30 minutes before turning back, and you would start slowing immediately so you would be stopped in the vicinity of the man to ease pick up. It looks more like a race track, anyway. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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| Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
I suppose some ships may have cameras on the cargo deck. I can't say for sure if this one did or didn't. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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| Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
Yeah, that's no Williamson turn. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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| Partial dichotomy |
I know what a Williamson turn is. I'm referring to the short jog to starboard right after the speculated collision, which tells me they knew they hit something. Then they went on a straight path before performing their Williamson turn. It was during that straight path that I assume they were trying to decide what action to take and probably in contact with their office for recommendations. SIGforum: For all your needs! Imagine our influence if every gun owner in America was an NRA member! Click the box>>>  | |||
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| Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
I'll tell you this, I am 100% positive the collision did not happen at 0220 that the Navy is reporting and 100% positive that it did not happen at 0230 that Fox News is reporting. 100%. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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Coin Sniper |
Hmmmm 14 pages and the mystery continues... Interesting reading though. Seems like it's really hard to figure out what happened without the destroyers track. Pronoun: His Royal Highness and benevolent Majesty of all he surveys 343 - Never Forget Its better to be Pavlov's dog than Schrodinger's cat There are three types of mistakes; Those you learn from, those you suffer from, and those you don't survive. | |||
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