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So I guess being a Veteran and CWP holder makes you qualified to take the law into your own hands and use deadly force. This guy will be charged I am sure. http://www.kxlh.com/story/3460...alks-about-encounterThis message has been edited. Last edited by: 4859, ----------------------------- Always carry. Never tell. | ||
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What is the statute about force to defend/stop a crime? The story says you can use reasonable force in a citizen's arrest. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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Midwest rules. Didn't watch the vid. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes, I guess... ----------------- I apologize now... | |||
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It's less than two minutes long... ------------------------------------ 135 ├┼┼╕ 246R | |||
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Sorry, but this guy is an idiot.
No? ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan "Once there was only dark. If you ask me, light is winning." ~Rust Cohle | |||
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Don't know the rules in Montana, but in Colorado, it is lawful to use deadly force in protection of self or others from deadly harm, kidnapping, or sexual assault. I think that's about all. Shooting a shoplifter? Stupid. Cops don't even do that; and if cops don't do it, it's almost certainly not legal for non-LEOs. . . Retard. Fear God and Dread Nought Admiral of the Fleet Sir Jacky Fisher | |||
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He's an idiot. There's one human emotion that allows you to use deadly force and that is if you feel your life is in danger. It doesn't matter who you are. You could be a cop, veteran, civilian it doesn't matter. | |||
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All fine and dandy until it's somebody YOU care about getting shot and killed for stealing a pair of jeans. Or getting shot because somebody THINKS they stole a pair of jeans. Not all 'suspects' are truly guilty of what they are accused of. According to the article:
This idiot provoked the incident and escalated what should have been a law enforcement issue into a deadly force incident. Retard. If anybody ever tries that 'citizens arrest' crap with me, I can guarantee I will NOT comply with them, unless they have convincing credentials (and I am not counting a 'CCW Badge' in that list of credentials). Fear God and Dread Nought Admiral of the Fleet Sir Jacky Fisher | |||
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I realize this didn't hapen in Texas, and I definitely do not want to test it in a Texas grand jury. However, Texas does have deadly force provisions in which you can shoot a fleeing suspect.
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Except that I don't gather that he shot for the shoplifting. As I see it, he shot because she tried to run him over. Yes, it started as shoplifting, and if he'd have left well enough alone it likely would have stayed there. However, it escalated and he did what he thought was right. Who here wouldn't shoot if someone tried to run you over? ________________________________________________________ "Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil." Doug Patton. | |||
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Tatortodd, I realize you realize this didn't happen in Texas. I would note the following though. Is a stores merchandise within the definition of "land or tangible, movable property?" The shooting did not take place during the nighttime. Was the shooter or another exposed to "a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury?" The opinions expressed in no way reflect the stance or opinion of my employer. | |||
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Bull. And even if she did intend to hit him with her car, some idiot pulls a gun on me because he believes...Well whatever he believes, I'm probably gonna try and run him over too. This guy is a retard. And I don't believe that Texas statute applies in this case. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan "Once there was only dark. If you ask me, light is winning." ~Rust Cohle | |||
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So, did he hit any of those tires? "We're all travelers in this world. From the sweet grass to the packing house. Birth 'til death. We travel between the eternities." | |||
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| Staring back from the abyss |
Did he clear leather before or after she backed into him? The answer to that will keep him out of jail. ________________________________________________________ "Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil." Doug Patton. | |||
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Tell ye what, that thread about refusing to show receipts to the door checker at WalMart would look a lot different. 
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I don't think it's reasonable force if they're unarmed and running away from you. | |||
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If it happened in Florida, and he was unable to articulate that he was in fear and the shooting was in self defense, he would be looking at 15-20 years - just for shooting out the tires. Basically, I can applause the idea that he wants to make his community a better place, but there is a right way, and a wrong way to do things son. If someone with a gun thinks I committed a crime and wants to arrest me as a "citizens arrest", that's fine, we can wait for the cops to show up. When you are 100% wrong, and you detained me illegally, I'll be filing charges of kidnapping/false imprisonment. ______________________________________________________ Often times a very small man can cast a very large shadow | |||
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Seems a few of you failed to read the full story and watch the video. He attempted to make a citizens arrest on the man and woman. He attempted to hold them for Police and pulled out his gun when they didn't want to listen to him. He at no time said he actually saw him steal the clothing from the store. He only thinks they stole the clothing. He had no right to make a citizens arrest and this was not a deadly force encounter. He foolishly placed him self in danger by standing behind the van. The guy is a fucking idiot. ----------------------------- Always carry. Never tell. | |||
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the knucklehead should be charged and his permit taken away | |||
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