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You think it's a ton of profit, right?
No, I don't, and I didn't just fall off of the hay truck.
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No reason to lament the lack of cashiers for most people and if you run into some issue, there's always an employee who is there to assist, even at Home Depot.
I'm uncertain why you bothered to respond, since you either didn't take the time to read my post in its entirety, or you read it and you don't comprehend it.

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So yes, you're not surprised by my Meh but I'm consistent about it.
The Hell you say.
 
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I thought I read somewhere that store profit hovers around the 1-2% range and a broken bottle of ketchup wipes out the profit on a $100 sale. I don't know if it's true.
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Meh.
Yeah, leave it to you. No surprise.


You think it's a ton of profit, right? It's not. Google results from any number of sites who study and report on this stuff say it's around 2%. That broken bottle of ketchup does eliminate the profit on close to $200 in sales after you factor in overhead and labor.

Yes, I'm meh on this. No reason to lament the lack of cashiers for most people and if you run into some issue, there's always an employee who is there to assist, even at Home Depot.

We don't complain about having to pump our own gas or having to load our own groceries in the car. No one complains about using an ATM as a teller replacement and neither do they complain about not having a travel agent to book your flight or that you're compromised in some way by having to do it yourself online.

So yes, you're not surprised by my Meh but I'm consistent about it.


You are either regurgitating puke you read online, or don’t understand how grocery stores work.

“1-2% profit” is actually closer to 5%, but that’s not the real profit. That’s the profit on the sale of an item.

Unfortunately your goofy math forgets to include the large sums of money the distributor and/or company of the product on the shelf pays to put the item where it is on the shelf.

Ever wonder why certain items are always in the ideal spot at all the grocery stores? It’s because they pay tons of money to be there, and they sell more due to being in that spot, or they wouldn’t pay the fee.

Not everything is as simple as it seems, shockingly, I know.


But now you know.


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My usual Yoop grocery store is undergoing a major renovation. I go to this store as a way to thumb my nose at Walmart and Meijer and "buy local". You would think that they would close the store to have full access to get the job done in a timely and efficient manner, right? Nope!
Now you have to maneuver around closed areas and overhead equipment lifts with work going on over your head. The aisles move depending on what work needs to be done so you can no longer follow a familiar route to get your stuff. The bakery is closed and when I visit next Friday, my guess is the deli will be closed. This has dragged on for a month now. When its done, I look for an increase in SCO lanes. Looks like the miniscule profit margin is going to finance this on going mess!


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Originally posted by Flashlightboy:
I thought I read somewhere that store profit hovers around the 1-2% range and a broken bottle of ketchup wipes out the profit on a $100 sale. I don't know if it's true.
Horse shit
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Meh.
Yeah, leave it to you. No surprise.


You think it's a ton of profit, right? It's not. Google results from any number of sites who study and report on this stuff say it's around 2%. That broken bottle of ketchup does eliminate the profit on close to $200 in sales after you factor in overhead and labor.

Yes, I'm meh on this. No reason to lament the lack of cashiers for most people and if you run into some issue, there's always an employee who is there to assist, even at Home Depot.

We don't complain about having to pump our own gas or having to load our own groceries in the car. No one complains about using an ATM as a teller replacement and neither do they complain about not having a travel agent to book your flight or that you're compromised in some way by having to do it yourself online.

So yes, you're not surprised by my Meh but I'm consistent about it.


You are either regurgitating puke you read online, or don’t understand how grocery stores work.

“1-2% profit” is actually closer to 5%, but that’s not the real profit. That’s the profit on the sale of an item.

Unfortunately your goofy math forgets to include the large sums of money the distributor and/or company of the product on the shelf pays to put the item where it is on the shelf.

Ever wonder why certain items are always in the ideal spot at all the grocery stores? It’s because they pay tons of money to be there, and they sell more due to being in that spot, or they wouldn’t pay the fee.

Not everything is as simple as it seems, shockingly, I know.


But now you know.


I'm well aware of payments for placement. It's been going on for a very long time in the industry but it's not profit on the item, at least not outright. Do you have link or source for what an average national chain receives in placement fees?

Even if product profit is 5%, it's still not much.

Are there any other revenue streams other than sales and placement fees?
 
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Originally posted by Flashlightboy:
I thought I read somewhere that store profit hovers around the 1-2% range and a broken bottle of ketchup wipes out the profit on a $100 sale. I don't know if it's true.
Horse shit
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Meh.
Yeah, leave it to you. No surprise.


You think it's a ton of profit, right? It's not. Google results from any number of sites who study and report on this stuff say it's around 2%. That broken bottle of ketchup does eliminate the profit on close to $200 in sales after you factor in overhead and labor.

Yes, I'm meh on this. No reason to lament the lack of cashiers for most people and if you run into some issue, there's always an employee who is there to assist, even at Home Depot.

We don't complain about having to pump our own gas or having to load our own groceries in the car. No one complains about using an ATM as a teller replacement and neither do they complain about not having a travel agent to book your flight or that you're compromised in some way by having to do it yourself online.

So yes, you're not surprised by my Meh but I'm consistent about it.


You are either regurgitating puke you read online, or don’t understand how grocery stores work.

“1-2% profit” is actually closer to 5%, but that’s not the real profit. That’s the profit on the sale of an item.

Unfortunately your goofy math forgets to include the large sums of money the distributor and/or company of the product on the shelf pays to put the item where it is on the shelf.

Ever wonder why certain items are always in the ideal spot at all the grocery stores? It’s because they pay tons of money to be there, and they sell more due to being in that spot, or they wouldn’t pay the fee.

Not everything is as simple as it seems, shockingly, I know.


But now you know.


I'm well aware of payments for placement. It's been going on for a very long time in the industry but it's not profit on the item, at least not outright. Do you have link or source for what an average national chain receives in placement fees?

Even if product profit is 5%, it's still not much.

Are there any other revenue streams other than sales and placement fees?


You are just making up numbers now.

5% is still not much.

No shit.

That’s why they take the big money to get it on the shelf.

One doesn’t exist without the other.

How’s the profit to a grocery if a ketchup company pays 1 billion dollars for a primo spot on the shelf, and the only jar they were going to ever sell for 1-2% over cost got smashed in checkout. Never actually sold a single jar. Turns out the ketchup sucked.

If 5% is “still not much” on your scale, what’s the official rating of the above scenario on your scale?


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I use self check out at two Wal Marts here.
Prefer it actually.
But there is almost always helpers there for problems that arise.
Not any kind of a problem for me.

In fact I noticed price discrepancy's a lot more when I take the extra 95 seconds for self check out.

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We have a family owned grocery store near me . Just a little more expensive than the chains but very service oriented . Always multiple registers open and if there are three people in line they open another . My second choice is Winn Dixie and they removed their self checkouts here .
 
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The Amazon-owned Whole Foods store that I visit most mornings has SCO machines that are much different than SCO machines at Kroger and similar chains. They work quite well.

When I buy something from the salad bar in a fill-it-yourself box I can enter the box size so that the weight of the box is tared-out of the item weight.



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I don't like it at all, for the same reasons Para listed.

Since this seems to be a labor cost-cutting measure, maybe someone can explain to me the ten or so additional employees they took on to manage that blasted on-line ordering. When I go to Smith's (a Kroger store) on a weekday afternoon there always seems to be a half-dozen or more employees picking out these orders. Then a couple more around back of the store loading orders into soccer mom's minivan.

Not to mention the cart used for those orders is bigger than the normal buggy, and the order-pickers can't seem to figure out how to use them without parking them crosswise in the aisle. But that's another thread topic.

Another thing...Self checkout by nature would need to be cashless, and of course devoid of any human interaction. Things are changing, and I don't like it.



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Governments putting in living wage levels for low/entry level jobs is driving SCO, cashier positions are one of the few in a grocery store that can be automated, you can't get a machine yet to stock the aisles, unload the trucks, but odds are they are working on it, but you can cut out the cashiers and still process orders.

Higher cost of goods, inflation, power bills, lease payments, insurance, taxes, all of those are expenses that companies deal with but can't control completely. Payroll is one of the few line items you can use to impact corporate profits, or losses.
 
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I have totally stopped going to Krogers. Customer service has been closed at all the nearby stores. If you have a problem no one will help. When I did go to Krogers I always used self checkout to avoid the surley cashiers. Publix is more expensive but help is always available & they will even take your cart to the car & unload it. Publix does not seem to have problems hireing enough employees & where I shop is in a very high income area.


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Watch out for card skimmers.
Smiths (kroger) grocery store in New Mexico had a card scimmer at the self check-out for a month before it was discovered.


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I was told that Apple pay is immune to skimming. This is why I use apple pay whenever it is available. Of course, Walmart doesn't do apple pay. oh well.


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I was told that Apple pay is immune to skimming. This is why I use apple pay whenever it is available. Of course, Walmart doesn't do apple pay. oh well.


They do accept the Apple card which offers a level of protection against skimmers. Even at that, I can't imagine how someone could get a skimmer installed at the closely watched self check out line.

As for me I don't mind SCO, as I usually only have a few items. My wife on the other hand pitches a fit every time she spends $100+ and has to do it all by herself.



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Noticed that above the self checkout machines there are ceiling cameras looking down at the person using the checkout. Like Vegas above the craps tables. Looking for cheaters. There is one employee at our store watching and helping the shoppers with difficulties. Talked to the woman who said her position is a different bargaining unit from the checkers and paid less.


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I was told that Apple pay is immune to skimming. This is why I use apple pay whenever it is available. Of course, Walmart doesn't do apple pay. oh well.
I use the Walmart app. To pay through the app, you just take a picture of the QR code on the terminal; you do not need a physical card. The receipt comes to your phone.



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Noticed that above the self checkout machines there are ceiling cameras looking down at the person using the checkout. Like Vegas above the craps tables. Looking for cheaters.
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Most big box stores have more cameras watching the cashiers than they do on the customers .
 
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I was told that Apple pay is immune to skimming. This is why I use apple pay whenever it is available. Of course, Walmart doesn't do apple pay. oh well.
I use the Walmart app. To pay through the app, you just take a picture of the QR code on the terminal; you do not need a physical card. The receipt comes to your phone.


True, but it's another place you've parked your CC number that can be hacked, not the terminal but Walmarts database, they all get hit at some point.

And it's "another app" I have to manage, login, keep a password, just like the Publix App, which I don't use anymore since they take Apple Pay.

I've gotten used to Applepay with my phone or watch, click click face pay....
 
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Sorry Para, I didn’t realize there was a thing about using the term “haters.” Missed that one somehow.
 
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it's another place you've parked your CC number that can be hacked, not the terminal but Walmarts database, they all get hit at some point.

And it's "another app" I have to manage, login, keep a password, just like the Publix App, which I don't use anymore since they take Apple Pay.

I've gotten used to Applepay with my phone or watch, click click face pay....
Couple points:
  • Managing the app, login, password, etc. for these (Walmart app and Publix app) is no more of a pain in the ass than Apple Pay, since they can all use Face ID (or Touch ID on older iPhones and SE). A one-time setup and Bob's your uncle.

  • Re hacking: I use a Capital One card for this stuff. Capital One allows you to generate "Virtual Cards" -- as many as you want. Each Virtual Card is valid only at the merchant for which it was generated. Example: The virtual card that I generated for Publix is valid only at Publix. Any attempt to use that card number for any other vendor will be denied. Similar for the Walmart app -- I have a virtual card that will be honored only at Walmart, linked to that app.

    Additionally, each Virtual Card can be locked or unlocked quickly, or deleted, at the Capital One website, so if the Publix system were to be hacked, I could delete the Virtual Card that I have connected to the Publix app. A very secure system, I highly recommend it. A very minor inconvenience to generate a Virtual Card the first time I make a purchase from a vendor, but from then on, it's no extra work.

    Example: I bought a monthly pass for a car wash place near me. They intend to use auto-renew. Towards the end of the month, I'll tell them not to renew, but if they ignore my request and try to renew for another month, the attempted transaction will be denied, because after I made the initial purchase, I locked the card. Going forward, I can unlock it at any time if I want to buy another month's worth of car washes, or I can delete the virtual card permanently if I decide to.



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