With the amount of hi-tech equipment on board how is this even possible unless it was a whale or something that ran into it.

I have a $1200 drone that will not allow me to run into something if I wanted to because of collision avoidance so I'm sure a mega gazzilion submarine with precious cargo aboard has something much more sophisticated than my $1200 drone. WTF?

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Originally posted by 1s1k:
With the amount of hi-tech equipment on board how is this even possible unless it was a whale or something that ran into it.

I have a $1200 drone that will not allow me to run into something if I wanted to because of collision avoidance so I'm sure a mega gazzilion submarine with precious cargo aboard has something much more sophisticated than my $1200 drone. WTF?

To be fair to the Silent Service, our boats and Russian boats have been going bump in the night for decades. It's an unfortunate part of surveillance when we send our boats to gather intel. on the Russkie boats, and they do the same to us.

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Originally posted by marksman41:
To be fair to the Silent Service, our boats and Russian boats have been going bump in the night for decades. It's an unfortunate part of surveillance when we send our boats to gather intel. on the Russkie boats, and they do the same to us.

or the chinese?
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Originally posted by 1s1k:
...collision avoidance...

I just flashed back to the curb feelers on my grandad's '76 Eldorado.

Maybe they should tape a white cane to the bow.

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Originally posted by mbinky:

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Originally posted by 1s1k:
...collision avoidance...

I just flashed back to the curb feelers on my grandad's '76 Eldorado.

I remember those in the 50s

And maybe, just maybe the Chinese released one of their autonomous torpedo like vehicles to ram the sub as a test.

Chinese Joe will cover it up for them.

Submariners are jealous and are trying to keep up with the surface navy.

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Originally posted by Blackmore:
According to LinkedIn the Connecticut's CO is Commander Cameron Aljilani....

The Connecticut's CO WAS Commander Cameron Aljilani.

Everybody needs a set-up guy. Happy to oblige

Probably hit a sperm whale. It happens.

I guess the boat will be put into dry cock err dock.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
I guess the boat will be put into dry cock err dock.

Let's hope none of the contract workers in Portsmouth want to leave work early again.

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Originally posted by 1s1k:
With the amount of hi-tech equipment on board how is this even possible unless it was a whale or something that ran into it.

I have a $1200 drone that will not allow me to run into something if I wanted to because of collision avoidance so I'm sure a mega gazzilion submarine with precious cargo aboard has something much more sophisticated than my $1200 drone. WTF?

If something is in the water and it isn't mechanical or, 'alive' then its not going to make any noise; thus the subs sensors aren't going to pick it up. Your drone has a proximity sensor, it's sending out radar waves, reading the returns then processing its position to prevent a collision. Submarines CANNOT send out ANY type of emission: mechanical, electric, sound, etc.. less they be detected.

Every likes to hype-up active sonar on submarines (one ping Vasily, just one), what most fail to understand is the minute you use active, everyone knows where you are. Modern submarines rarely use active sonar, the variety of passive sensors are advanced enough to fire weapons.

I think this case is either, nav error, an uncharted object (happens) or, they're playing cat n'mouse with the PLAN. Anybody remember all the activity with the Soviets back in the Cold War? There was a lot more 'accidents' then the press knew about.

South China Sea?

Maybe, it bumped into the Red Month of the Dog, a Type-093A Shang-II Class boat with a knock-off caterpillar drive stolen from the Russians.

Likely, the Captain had the political Commissar hogtied in the officer's mess.

(Possibly the greatest difference to Western submarines is not part of its specification. Chinese submarines have a dual leadership model with the Captain joined by a political officer. These Commissars are of the same or similar (sometimes higher) rank. Generally the commissar is responsible for the crew’s welfare and moral, as well as monitoring political cohesion. Exactly how this joint leadership will perform in combat, where quick decisions are often critical, remains to be seen.)

https://www.navalnews.com/nava...arine-the-type-093a/

Maybe.

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Originally posted by RichardC:
(Possibly the greatest difference to Western submarines is not part of its specification. Chinese submarines have a dual leadership model with the Captain joined by a political officer. These Commissars are of the same or similar (sometimes higher) rank. Generally the commissar is responsible for the crew’s welfare and moral, as well as monitoring political cohesion. Exactly how this joint leadership will perform in combat, where quick decisions are often critical, remains to be seen.)

Political commissars have been a staple of the military formation command of a number of Communist nations since the Russian Revolution in 1917. Soviet, Eastern Bloc, Chinese, Vietnamese, etc.

However, while some nations have attempted true dual military/political command at one point or another, battlefield experience has always led to the commissar being eventually subordinated to the commanding officer, rather than having equal authority (or in some cases the ability to override the commanding officer).

Some insight from a sonar man on the possibilities

The Navy has fired 3 from the ship.

Does this mean they're completely kicked out of the Navy, or just sent to some dead end menial job?
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The commander of the Navy's Seventh Fleet relieved the commanding officer of the submarine, Cmdr. Cameron Aljilani, the executive officer, Lt. Cmdr. Patrick Cashin, and the top enlisted sailor, Master Chief Sonar Technician Cory Rodgers, "due to loss of confidence," according to a Navy statement.

At the time of the incident, the submarine was transiting through an area of the South China Sea, according to a U.S. official. Though the vessel struck an uncharted sea mountain, Vice Adm. Karl Thomas, commander of Seventh Fleet, determined the incident could have been prevented.

The official said the submarine did not exercise as much caution as necessary and was traveling faster than it should have in an area that is not as well charted as others.

"Sound judgement [sic], prudent decision-making and adherence to required procedures in navigation planning, watch team execution and risk management could have prevented the incident," according to the statement.

The three who were fired will be replaced by a new leadership team while the submarine remains in Guam before it makes its way to Bremerton, Washington, for repairs to the hull and interior.

On Oct. 2, the Seawolf-class fast-attack submarine struck an unknown object while underwater, but the Navy did not publicly disclose the incident until after the vessel was close to arriving at the naval base in Guam, where a damage assessment would be made.

A Navy official said at the time that two sailors had suffered moderate injuries and were treated aboard the vessel. Other sailors suffered bumps, bruises and lacerations. There was no damage to the submarine's nuclear reactor.

Last week, a Navy investigation into the incident determined that the submarine had struck an uncharted sea mountain and that the Seventh Fleet commander would determine whether accountability actions might be appropriate.

LINK to story
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Originally posted by OKCGene:
The Navy has fired 3 from the ship.

Does this mean they're completely kicked out of the Navy, or just sent to some dead end menial job?...
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It means, they are fired, from the ship!

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Does this mean they're completely kicked out of the Navy, or just sent to some dead end menial job?

The CO and XO will get a letter in their records and will not advance due to those letters…it’s a career ender. If either has 20, it’s best to retire and be done with it.

The Chief of the Boat has over 20 and can retire, and probably will, because everywhere he could go-this will follow him and he won’t be in the command structure ever again.

And that’s the breaks…they were the command, and now they aren’t.