SIGforum.com    Main Page  Hop To Forum Categories  The Lounge    Is stoicism the antithesis of progressivism?
Page 1 2 

Moderators: Chris Orndorff, LDD
Go
New
Find
Notify
Tools
Reply
  
Is stoicism the antithesis of progressivism? Login/Join 
Diablo Blanco
Picture of dking271
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by mlazarus:
I would probably be more inclined to describe stoicism as accepting that which you cannot control or change. Not necessarily being free of feelings. Adapting stoicism into my life has helped me tremendously. If one is looking for a primer, The Daily Stoic, by Ryan Holiday is a good introduction and very digestible.


Agreed, it’s not about lacking feeling it is about controlling one’s emotions. Accepting things as just being and not letting our own or others influence the perception of things being good or bad. You can control things/influence things or you can not. At its core, Stoicism requires one to accept that outcomes are uncertain. That is why it is the antithesis of progressivism/socialism/marxism. You can not force equal outcomes or equal starting points in life, some people are more talented, smarter, more disciplined than others so the outcomes will always end differently.

I am starting to believe that the plurality of humans actually wants to be controlled and the minority selfishly want to exploit them. I do not see a path to reconciliation but that doesn’t mean it does not exist. Much to that point, I am preparing myself mentally, physically, and working on the skills that I deem important for me to live the life I want to live.


_________________________
"When a man is denied the right to live the life he believes in, he has no choice but to become an outlaw.” - Nelson Mandela
 
Posts: 2021 | Location: Middle-TN | Registered: November 05, 2003Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Fire begets Fire
Picture of SIGnified
posted Hide Post
Siddhartha

by Herman Hesse





"Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty."
~Robert A. Heinlein
 
Posts: 23138 | Location: Row 2F | Registered: February 04, 2003Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Casuistic Thinker and Daoist
Picture of 9mmepiphany
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
quote:
Originally posted by mlazarus:
I would probably be more inclined to describe stoicism as accepting that which you cannot control or change. Not necessarily being free of feelings.


Yes, this is my understanding of it also, so far. Have emotions and be human, but do not let them rule you. Stoicism seems to be a school of thought, like many others, that seeks to soothe the agony that is living. Much of spirituality says that life is suffering and goes from there, in terms of what to do about it. Stoicism seems to say “endure it and enjoy it, and here’s some thoughts on how.”

That reflects my understanding also. It is accepting that which you cannot control or change.

A common Asian belief system is Buddhism, which teaches that Life is Suffering to reach a higher plane of existence. The opposite of that is Taoism which teaches that the one constant in life is Change. Change is often painful, but it doesn't require that you Suffer. By accepting Change, you avoid Suffering




No, Daoism isn't a religion



 
Posts: 13706 | Location: northern california | Registered: February 07, 2003Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Casuistic Thinker and Daoist
Picture of 9mmepiphany
posted Hide Post
quote:
Originally posted by stickman428:
The acceptance of the inevitably of bad things happening and the emphasis on controlling emotions by focusing on that which is directly within your control

Trying to control anything other than how you react is contrary to the teachings of Stoicism




No, Daoism isn't a religion



 
Posts: 13706 | Location: northern california | Registered: February 07, 2003Reply With QuoteReport This Post
  Powered by Social Strata Page 1 2  
 

SIGforum.com    Main Page  Hop To Forum Categories  The Lounge    Is stoicism the antithesis of progressivism?

© SIGforum 2021