I estimate about 3k people at the Denver rally today and a traffic jam of cars all waving flags and honking in support.

^^^^^

I didn't get out of the car, mostly because of the parking situation...but I kinda wish I had now. It was bumper to bumper though.

Good sized crowd but I would have a tough time putting a number to it. The crowd was vocal, plenty of car horns blowing, some great signs, and everyone seemed energized, but I didn't see any unruly behavior or any police interventions, although there was an obvious police presence.

Found out a former co-worker and friend of mine died of the carona virus this afternoon. He was in his 70's, but to my knowledge had no underlying health issues. NJ has been hit hard. My wife is a retired nurse and has heard some real horror stories from nurses still working. Death rate in NJ is 4.9% Am I willing to give up my liberty and watch the economy be destoyed- NO. Time to start opening up. Am I willing to be inconvenienced with masks and social distancing while we open up - YES.

Yeah, NJ has it bad. My sister and her husband are both nurses and they both have it, and it looks like their kids are showing it now too. On the other hand, my county here in Pa. has 200 cases in a population of over 350,000.

One of the big problems I see is the one size fits all approach. There is no reason my big and relatively lightly populated county should follow the same protocol as Manhattan or even Bergen county NJ. and vice versa. The governor of Georgia seems to have taken the best approach by explicitly leaving most measures up to the counties , cities, and towns.

The pro lockdown crowd do not count the estimated 10,000 additional suicides due to nearly 20 million unemployed with no idea when jobs might again be available. Nor do they count the estimated Hundreds of thousands of children who will die due to the economic damage they are causing.

Everything has a cost. Those deaths may be justified if this is as bad as they are hyping it to be. I don't believe it is half that bad, and even if it is, justified or not the current restrictions are dubiously constitutional at best. And we accept that there are costs to the freedoms we enjoy. People die from shootings who might live if not for the 2A. People die in car accidents who wouldn't if we did not have free movement. Criminals elude justice and victimize others because we are secure in our persons and effects from searches without probably cause, and because we remain free except upon conviction by a jury of our peers wherein we may confront our accuser. Some deaths are inevitable when people are free even to make bad choices.

Well i for one believe the powder keg is full and the fuse in place. Question is, which city will light it?

Chicago, Miami, Atlanta, New York, or Los Angeles?

Or a more rural place like Casper, Bison, or Norman?

Atlanta is in OK shape. Even though the city has a communist dictator, the Governor has kept things at a minimum.

Georgia as a whole is ready to get back to work.

We do have it rough here in NJ/NY but even here, what's happening in northern Jersey is very different than southern Jersey. Several of our friends are nurses in local hospitals and a couple weeks ago things were very bad. Now, they're telling us they have the PPE they need, they are no longer over capacity and ICU beds and ventilators are available again.

40% of the deaths here in NJ have been in nursing homes among the elderly and infirmed. I think that stat speaks to the path forward. Folks like my parents (in their 80's) should continue to take every precaution and hunker down. Visitors to nursing homes, elder care facilities, etc. should be strictly prohibited and large close in type of events should continue to be prohibited. That said, there is a lot I feel we need to start relaxing soon. Start with re-opening the parks and open spaces which were closed weeks ago, allow contractors to get back to work on all projects, not just publicly funded construction, let people take a drive to just get out for a little while and clear their minds and most important to me, allow people to go for elective surgeries again as well.

My mom is dealing with cancer for the second time in her life amidst all this and she's unable to go for surgery to have a mass removed. I fear that she could be a victim of CV19 in a different way because of this shotgun approach to the virus.

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Originally posted by LS1 GTO:
Well i for one believe the powder keg is full and the fuse in place. Question is, which city will light it?

Chicago, Miami, Atlanta, New York, or Los Angeles?

Or a more rural place like Casper, Bison, or Norman?

I would suspect the rural areas will just start coming out and disregarding the quarantine. No fuss no muss.....no drama. Local LE will look the other way and people will get on with their lives, some in ppe and some not.

Chicago or Memphis.....when it gets hot they will come out as well but the concern will be lead poisoning not C19.

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Originally posted by dewhorse:

I would suspect the rural areas will just start coming out and disregarding the quarantine. No fuss no muss.....no drama. Local LE will look the other way and people will get on with their lives, some in ppe and some not.

Chicago or Memphis.....when it gets hot they will come out as well but the concern will be lead poisoning not C19.

That's the exact opposite of what is happening here. In most parts of Baltimore people are doing what they want, in the rural areas cops are breaking up tennis matches and kicking people out of Home Depot for not wearing a mask. Cops in Baltimore don't have time for that nonsense, for the most part.

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Originally posted by lkdr1989:

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SAN CLEMENTE

filled the skatepark with 37 tons of sand.

The sand dumping was at taxpayer expense, no doubt. I presume cleanup will be also. (facepalm)

Good!

Let those liberal and Progressive do-gooder assholes get a nice big and foul mouthful of what an overbearing and harmful / power-hungry government tastes like!!

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Originally posted by dewhorse:

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Originally posted by LS1 GTO:
Well i for one believe the powder keg is full and the fuse in place. Question is, which city will light it?

Chicago, Miami, Atlanta, New York, or Los Angeles?

Or a more rural place like Casper, Bison, or Norman?

I would suspect the rural areas will just start coming out and disregarding the quarantine. No fuss no muss.....no drama. Local LE will look the other way and people will get on with their lives, some in ppe and some not.

Chicago or Memphis.....when it gets hot they will come out as well but the concern will be lead poisoning not C19.

^this.

We're pretty much ignoring the "stay at home", "break up the parties", "you need PPE" nonsense. (Minus a few retard bosses)

Last Tuesday it was a little over 70 degrees, and shit got crazy.
Wait until the first nice weekend with 75-80 degree weather.

Update on the skatepark story-

The locals seem to embrace the lemons>lemonade theory. San Clemente Skatepark is now San Clemente Motocross track!

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Originally posted by motor59:
Update on the skatepark story-

The locals seem to embrace the lemons>lemonade theory. San Clemente Skatepark is now San Clemente Motocross track!

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Wonderful, the gov't built a motocross track. Somehow I don't think that is what the gov't intended.

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Originally posted by dewhorse:
I would suspect the rural areas will just start coming out and disregarding the quarantine. No fuss no muss.....no drama. Local LE will look the other way and people will get on with their lives, some in ppe and some not.

The real nut-cracker will be when a business, or businesses, start opening up, disregarding shutdown orders.

What .gov does in reaction to that will be very telling.

San Clemente Skatepark is now San Clemente Motocross track!

Ha ha, up your's Sam Clemente! Good example of the "law of unintended consequences."

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Originally posted by motor59:
Update on the skatepark story-

The locals seem to embrace the lemons>lemonade theory. San Clemente Skatepark is now San Clemente Motocross track!

LINK

That is fantastic.

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Originally posted by motor59:
San Clemente Skatepark is now San Clemente Motocross track!

That is perfect.

Hopefully they remember the foul taste of the shit sandwich the democrat party feeds them and they grow up voting republican.

Looks like there was another protest yesterday.

If you're going to get your picture in the paper this is how it's done.



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Originally posted by Ryanp225:
Looks like there was another protest yesterday.

If you're going to get your picture in the paper this is how it's done.



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At least he is wearing his virus mask.

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Originally posted by Ryanp225:
Looks like there was another protest yesterday.

If you're going to get your picture in the paper this is how it's done.



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At least his shirt and sneakers match....he's got the accessorization thing down pat.