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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by Skins2881:

For me Redskins football is so ingrained in my life, there is no walking away, it would take some serious shit for me to do that. My favorite memories as a boy with my dad was at skin's games.

So if the whole team or even just most of them disrespected the flag of your country, thereby disrespecting the men and women who died for it and you, that's not serious enough for you to walk away from them? That's sad.

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I can watch without contributing a cent to the NFL or team (if need be).

You contribute when you watch whether you like it or not. The advertisers are what bring in the big bucks. Rationalize it all you want, but you are supporting these anti-American fools, who hate you and me by the way, whenever you watch them play.

All due respect but we live in a world where it's not feasible to boycott every person, company, product and service because an opinion differs from our own. Part of freedom is being able to disagree with other opinions no matter how offensive they are while appreciating talent art and ingenuity for what it is.

Hard to predict where this will go beyond my own actions. I abandoned pro sports long ago when players began to display poor character proudly. Now with the shroud of PC hanging heavily on nearly everyone and everything, I can't imagine the right thing happening. Were I in charge I'd lay down the law that while you are on NFL time you'll do nothing to damage the brand or you are out. That would be a very public announcement live at the start of every game until I was certain all heard it. The I would enforce it without exception.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:....If somebody does something I find sufficiently offensive, I simply cannot enjoy their performance any longer. E.g.: Barbara Streisand has one of the best singing voices there ever was, but I will not buy her music. I can still appreciate her talent, but cannot get the echos of "leftist loon" out of my head....

JMHO.

Repeat. I detest Streisand's politics so much I can't stand to watch/listen to anything she does. There are a few others in that category.

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
Hard to predict where this will go beyond my own actions. I abandoned pro sports long ago when players began to display poor character proudly. Now with the shroud of PC hanging heavily on nearly everyone and everything, I can't imagine the right thing happening. Were I in charge I'd lay down the law that while you are on NFL time you'll do nothing to damage the brand or you are out. That would be a very public announcement live at the start of every game until I was certain all heard it. The I would enforce it without exception.

Another ditto.

The team owners are just whores. If a team were to cut a really good player, another team would pick him up quickly. Sure, the only example we've seen so far is Kapernick who was at best marginal. I would be surprised if he ever plays again. I do agree the teams could and should have ended it.

The players have a lot of pride. Usually too much and feel the only reason they're not playing isn't their fault. When a player overestimates his ability like Kapernick, he quickly finds he is expendable. I have no idea what, if anything, was going through his mind when he opted out of the rest of his contract. Maybe a brain injury if he has a brain.

The first team players, the ones who are really at the top of their game probably are concentrating on play, not political stunts. For the 2nd teamers (and lower)they would be well advised to not call attention to themselves. While the ball clubs have a lot of money invested in them, they can easily be replaced with another non-performer. They have practice squads full of players who would love to be given another chance. I would bet most would swear on a stack of bibles they wouldn't do any stunts to get them booted.

And there is a middle ground solution. I know, it wouldn't draw attention to them. The coach should just announce before the game that anyone who won't stand for our national anthem should remain inside the locker room until after its over. Running out on the field with the team requires them to stand. Then a coach should do the obvious. If they don't show respect of the country and team, they should just cut them. It might take a week or two, but even the dumbest football thug would get the idea. I guess the teams couldn't conspire to blackball them, but the teams also need enough pride to end the bullshit.

I used to watch pro football a lot but the past few years have seen me losing interest.
Big salaries, bigger mouths and now this.
IIRC, last year saw some very low ratings for some games. I personally didn't watch one and skipped the Super Bowl altogether. It'll get worse this year.
I don't hate the Cowboys but I don't like them either. Jerry Jones OTOH has my respect for standing up to this and issuing his ultimatum should any of his players do this shit. More owners should take his cue and institute this.
Most of the people I work with are Browns fans and seeing as I'm about 40 miles away from Cleveland, I'll hear what they have to say today.
I really don't get this while thing though and I'm like a dog that hears something strange. Head tilted to one side thinking what the fuck is that. Even the lowest paid players make more than most people. You're being paid to play a game. It's a serious game and an injury could leave you crippled for life possibly but still. Then you want to kneel or sit as the American Anthem is being played? Social injustice?
Alright, it's America and it's a free country so do what you please. Just remember, actions have consequences.
I won't be watching any games this year. College games, yes.

Well there goes me watching the Browns.
My interest for pro sports especially pro football has waned considerably over the years.

The Browns were still my team even thought i moved to VA in 2001.

((If I am home, I will probably watch them because my dad will have it on, but that is more about spending time with my family which I don't get to see as much as I like ))

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Originally posted by Dead_Eye:
All due respect but we live in a world where it's not feasible to boycott every person, company, product and service because an opinion differs from our own.

Yes, but I can really, really easily purge my personal world from anything having to do with the NFL.
They are dead to me, and I switch channels as soon as there is any mention of them.

Similar to what I do any time I see Sean Penn or Susan Sarandon or Barbra Streisand on the TV.

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Originally posted by Leemur:
And my interest in the NFL is about to flatline.

Mine flatlined about ten years ago. And it has nothing to do with politics.

I think pro football is boring. It is the slowest game in the world. In a three hour telecast, there is about 35 or 45 minutes of action. The rest consists of morons talking.

There is more action in a televised snooker match on the BBC. And the announcers keep quiet for minutes at a time.

I don't know why people complain baseball is slow (and it is, but in a different way) and then claim to like pro football.

I also don't understand the fanatic attraction to a for-profit enterprise. "We won!" - No "we" didn't do shit. A group of highly paid young men won. You just watched. I enjoy some sports, but being a fan is a very small part of my life.

Isn't football a winter game that's played without a puck?

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Originally posted by Skins2881:

I can watch without contributing a cent to the NFL or team (if need be).

No you can't. You are part of the advertising target that generates big dollars for NFL teams. If you watch football, you are contributing to the NFL and the Redskins profits. I'm no fan of boycotts because they don't do much good, but don't fool yourself, you are contributing when you watch.

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Originally posted by jhe888:
I think pro football is boring. It is the slowest game in the world.

DVR FTW

I normally can watch a game in about 45 minutes.

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Originally posted by rusbro:

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Originally posted by jhe888:
I think pro football is boring. It is the slowest game in the world.

DVR FTW

I normally can watch a game in about 45 minutes.

If I were inclined to watch, that is what I would do. But I am not.

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Originally posted by the_sandman_454:

The NFL is no different. Go ahead and fire everybody protesting on NFL time. It'll be a shitstorm, but maybe it'll get the point across.

Sort of like Reagan with the Air Traffic Controllers...Love it!

It's Bush's fault.

The NFL apparently just DOES NOT GET IT that this kind of SJW shit does not play with their core constituency AT ALL.

How dammed stupid can they be? It's unbelievable to me!

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Uh, unless we're looking at a still for a remake, HaraKiri was shot in B&W.

What are we looking at? A production still?

Looks like a 2011 remake.

They certainly found a ringer for the role of the protagonist!

All this foolishness about cutting or punishing a player isn't going to happen, at least not to players who are really good. A coach would cut off his arm before cutting such a player. Owners too.

If you are marginal, maybe getting older, you had best act right. If Kaepernick was playing like Joe Montana, he'd be as safe as a lamb.

Tom Brady can get away with it. Johnny Manziel couldn't.

It's interesting the NFL regulates what they wear while warming up along with their social media activity before a game, but let's them do whatever they want during the Anthem. If they wanted to put a stop to this they could.

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Originally posted by JALLEN:
All this foolishness about cutting or punishing a player isn't going to happen, at least not to players who are really good. A coach would cut off his arm before cutting such a player. Owners too.

If you are marginal, maybe getting older, you had best act right. If Kaepernick was playing like Joe Montana, he'd be as safe as a lamb.

Tom Brady can get away with it. Johnny Manziel couldn't.

Which shows exactly how much of a money whore all of these owners are. They couldn't care less if convicted murderers and child rapists played the game, so long as it made them an extra dollar or $10 million.

As someone who hasn't spent a dime on football in 10-years, I regret I can't save money by not sending any to the NFL.