Today I hear the monsoon season is in full force and they could be down there for 4 months ?! They were down for 11 days with no food and are malnourished and they need to get “healthy“ before they can try to dive out. The water that has filled up the cave is apparently very muddy and not easy to see through.

Digging a chimney hole from the top seems to be the easiest way out IMO.

Apparently it was a “thing” for young folks to go to the back of this cave (while dry) and write your name on the back wall. It started to rain while they were underground.

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Originally posted by ElToro:
The water that has filled up the cave is apparently very muddy and not easy to see through.

? You're in a cave under water- It's so Black you don't know which way is up.

I've got over 2000 hours underwater and the thought of these kids trying to scuba dive out of there brings me to tears.

I figure at least three movies will come out of this- a Thai production, an HBO/Showtme/whatever pay channel, and an American network made-for-TV movie, most likely broadcast on ABC.

I mean, it's perfect. Drama with a group of kids- brown kids. Leaders of the group will emerge and there will be the scared, timid kids portrayed as well. In the last third of each of these films, one of the timid kids will be scuba'd out, and this will be the tense set-piece of the entire film.

Ultimately, all will be rescued and the US-made movies will reach the entirely logical conclusion that White people are evil.

Ii have confidence they will be fine.

As a parent ,what kind of punishment would you administer , when these kids get home?

You can't really ground them , can you ?

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Ii have confidence they will be fine.

As a parent ,what kind of punishment would you administer , when these kids get home?

You can't really ground them , can you ?

They were on a supervised outing. IDK if the parents were aware of the destination or if the coach made a poor choice, but I think this was a freak incident.

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You can't really ground them , can you ?

Hehe, ground them, he says.

Rescuers are beginning to pump oxygen into the chamber in Chiang Rai, northern Thailand, where the 12 boys and their coach have been trapped for 12 days.


A medical assessment has found that it is still too dangerous to try to move the youngsters, an unnamed source in the Thai Navy Seals told CNN.


Two boys and the 25-year-old coach are suffering with exhaustion through malnutrition, according to a new doctor's report.


It comes with rescuers facing a race against the weather to save the 12 children as it emerged volunteers accidentally pumped water back into the caves.


A former US Navy SEAL has warned of fatalities if the young Thai footballers have to dive their way out of the cave network.

Cade Courtley says such an attempt should be the last option for the trapped youngsters - because they have 'time on their hands'.

Courtley told CNN he had thousands of hours of experience operating in 'zero visibility' water as part of a special diving unit.

He questioned why the idea of diving the boys out was being considered when high powered pumps existed that were capable of draining a thousand gallons of water a minute.

He said: 'In my experience I would consider this stable and non life threatening which means we have the luxury of time - and with that time we are able to do a risk anaylsis on all of our options.

'I keep hearing the option of dive them out and I think that should be the very last option.'

The former US Navy SEAL added: 'I hate to say this but some of these kids are going to die in an effort to try and bring them out using dive equipment.'

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I figure at least three movies will come out of this- a Thai production, an HBO/Showtme/whatever pay channel, and an American network made-for-TV movie, most likely broadcast on ABC.

I agree and nominate Samuel Jackson for a lead role. Other nominations??

I guess Jonathan Ke Quan is too old to play one of the kids in the upcoming movie.

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I figure at least three movies will come out of this- a Thai production, an HBO/Showtme/whatever pay channel, and an American network made-for-TV movie, most likely broadcast on ABC.

I agree and nominate Samuel Jackson for a lead role. Other nominations??

Nick Cage!

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Originally posted by ElToro:
Today I hear the monsoon season is in full force and they could be down there for 4 months ?! They were down for 11 days with no food and are malnourished and they need to get “healthy“ before they can try to dive out. The water that has filled up the cave is apparently very muddy and not easy to see through.

Digging a chimney hole from the top seems to be the easiest way out IMO.

Apparently it was a “thing” for young folks to go to the back of this cave (while dry) and write your name on the back wall. It started to rain while they were underground.

I believe the issue with a chimney is they will be drilling thru pure rock. When they rescued the Chilean miners, I think it took them about 3 weeks to drill down to them. I would imagine they would want to get started drilling even if it is a secondary scenario.

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He questioned why the idea of diving the boys out was being considered when high powered pumps existed that were capable of draining a thousand gallons of water a minute.

I think the biggest question is can/will the area the boys are now in flood. Thousands of gallon a minute is a lot until mother nature decides to dump 10's of thousands or more a minute that all flow into that system.

There are some very talented British cave divers there with experience in cave rescue. These are the two that found the boys. I hope the Thailand officials listen to them.

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I think the biggest question is can/will the area the boys are now in flood. Thousands of gallon a minute is a lot until mother nature decides to dump 10's of thousands or more a minute that all flow into that system.

That is the nightmare scenario I keep envisioning; along with the rescue workers who are bonding with these kids and would refuse to leave them....

Fucking shit situation.

"For every inch of rain that falls on a catchment area of 1,000 square feet, you can expect to collect approximately 600 gallons of rainwater. Ten inches of rain falling on a 1,000 square foot catchment area will generate about 6,000 gallons of rainwater."

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Originally posted by ElToro:
Today I hear the monsoon season is in full force and they could be down there for 4 months ?! They were down for 11 days with no food and are malnourished and they need to get “healthy“ before they can try to dive out. The water that has filled up the cave is apparently very muddy and not easy to see through.

Digging a chimney hole from the top seems to be the easiest way out IMO.

Apparently it was a “thing” for young folks to go to the back of this cave (while dry) and write your name on the back wall. It started to rain while they were underground.

I believe the issue with a chimney is they will be drilling thru pure rock. When they rescued the Chilean miners, I think it took them about 3 weeks to drill down to them. I would imagine they would want to get started drilling even if it is a secondary scenario.

It goes well beyond just that. First they have to figure out where to drill, which isn't exactly easy. That cave is fairly deep below the ground and would be a small feat in itself just pinpointing it. And by that I mean digging precisely where you'll hit the cave at that depth.

Then there is of course the logistics of getting what is likely very heavy machinery to what I imagine is an area that is not exactly on the beaten path. You're talking about having to make a road just to get there through terrain that may be...err, rough.

Digging is not an option that will be accomplished in days or weeks. We're talking months I should think.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
I figure at least three movies will come out of this- a Thai production, an HBO/Showtme/whatever pay channel, and an American network made-for-TV movie, most likely broadcast on ABC.

I mean, it's perfect. Drama with a group of kids- brown kids. Leaders of the group will emerge and there will be the scared, timid kids portrayed as well. In the last third of each of these films, one of the timid kids will be scuba'd out, and this will be the tense set-piece of the entire film.

Ultimately, all will be rescued and the US-made movies will reach the entirely logical conclusion that White people are evil.

And don't forget the global warming climate change angle.

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Originally posted by ulsterman:

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Originally posted by ElToro:
Today I hear the monsoon season is in full force and they could be down there for 4 months ?! They were down for 11 days with no food and are malnourished and they need to get “healthy“ before they can try to dive out. The water that has filled up the cave is apparently very muddy and not easy to see through.

Digging a chimney hole from the top seems to be the easiest way out IMO.

Apparently it was a “thing” for young folks to go to the back of this cave (while dry) and write your name on the back wall. It started to rain while they were underground.

I believe the issue with a chimney is they will be drilling thru pure rock. When they rescued the Chilean miners, I think it took them about 3 weeks to drill down to them. I would imagine they would want to get started drilling even if it is a secondary scenario.

It goes well beyond just that. First they have to figure out where to drill, which isn't exactly easy. That cave is fairly deep below the ground and would be a small feat in itself just pinpointing it. And by that I mean digging precisely where you'll hit the cave at that depth.

Then there is of course the logistics of getting what is likely very heavy machinery to what I imagine is an area that is not exactly on the beaten path. You're talking about having to make a road just to get there through terrain that may be...err, rough.

Digging is not an option that will be accomplished in days or weeks. We're talking months I should think.

Very true. They are about as deep as the Chilean miners, maybe a little deeper. Hopefully, they will be able to work it out.

Horrible news. Apparently a former Thai SEAL has perished, he was staging bottles for the rescue.

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Horrible news. Apparently a former Thai SEAL has perished, he was staging bottles for the rescue.

Oh just damn it all...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/...-in-thai-cave-rescue

A navy Seal working to rescue boys trapped in cave in northern Thailand has died from lack of oxygen, Thai authorities say.

Ran out of oxygen and was found unconscious.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...m_term=.dfaf0ef3d4d6