I watched the video when I got home from work tonight.

It honestly made me sick. These aholes aren't cops. These are street thugs that somehow snuck into a uniform.

I don't think you are going to find a real cop on here (or anywhere) that is going to try to defend or make excuses for with these asshats did.

These guys acted just like the folk we try to lock up everyday.

This comes down to poor (or woke) hiring practices and shitty (or nonexistent) supervision.

...and as a result all of us are going to suffer.

Maybe when you defund the police, you get discount cops.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:
One of the most drawn-out scuffles I've had was against a teenage girl. She was giving it flat-out 100%, due to a combination of adrenaline, rage, and mental illness. Full-on feral animal

Mine too. Broad daylight in a K Mart parking lot. While she was fighting two of us, she still almost got my gun out of the holster. It took 8 officers to get her in the car.

Give me a 220 pound tweaker any day.

Same. Ropey little women can be a hell of a fight. Some of it is that we aren't aggressive enough quickly enough, but a lot of it is that their joints just don't work like a bigger person's and a lot of the things you would do to control them don't work.

Stopping when told, saying yes sir or yes ma’am works pretty good for me.

These bums are thugs not police.

They seemed really comfortable giving him that beatdown which tells me this is not the first time they have used excessive force. I am sure more incidents will come to light after a thorough investigation.

This not just an officer losing his temper and delivering an unjustified blow or two.

And people wonder they there are loonie leftists trying to stop Cop City here.

No one is rioting over the shooting of the man in the trailer though.

When I was 12, I was on the receiving end of a beating like that simply because of the color of my skin. It was four on one, and they beat me so badly I was out of school for two weeks. It happened one block away from the school, as I stood my post as a safety patrol. Because no one witnessed it who was willing to say what happened, and it was off school grounds, those four fucks got away with it.

This was after several weeks of these fucks beating me up to an extent I sported bruises all over my body. All at school, and all witnessed by teachers. Back then they considered 4v1 a “school boy fight.”

I learned the hard way an axiom from Trevanian regarding introducing a length of pipe to the next altercation. I damned near went to reform school over that. It was when I began going everywhere armed with at least a pocket knife.

The beatings stopped, as swiftly as they began.

My heart aches for Mr. Nichols. Unless you’ve been there, you have no idea how terrifying an unwarranted beating that savage is like, especially if you have no understanding of why it’s happening.

I can only hope the two deputies who didn’t intervene rat these fucks out in exchange for just loosing their careers. As for all directly involved, including their command staff, they should be fired and prosecuted when (not if, when because that wasn’t their first rodeo) more behavior like that comes out, and mark my words, every complaint involving that department just got reopened.

I’ll say a prayer for his soul. And pray that God bring righteous wrath down on Demetrius Haley, Tadarrius Bean, Emmitt Martin III, Desmond Mills and Justin Smith.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:
One of the most drawn-out scuffles I've had was against a teenage girl. She was giving it flat-out 100%, due to a combination of adrenaline, rage, and mental illness. Full-on cornered feral animal mode.

As the saying goes, she "came at me like a spider monkey".

I teach in a high school and the worst fight I had to break up was between two 100lb girls. It took me, the SRO and a principal to get her in handcuffs.

Incidents like these serve only to damage and demonize law enforcement as a profession. The media coverage of it feeds into that narrative.
I want to know how these "cops" were able to be hired in the first place. The excuse for this event was supposedly a traffic violation for reckless driving. I have stopped a few people and cited them for reckless driving and unless I had PC of a more serious violation, I never asked them to get out of the vehicle. I want to see the dash cam footage that led to the stop and the initial contact that led up to going hands on. And havent cops figured out yet that their every move is covered either by cell phone video, dash cam, or body cams?

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Originally posted by Skins2881:


I find it hard to believe 4-5 guys can't subdue a scrawny ass guy like that without beating him nearly unconscious.

125lb illegal grabbed my gun one night. He was spaced on PCP and nothing worked on him. I went up and down the use of force continuum, broke an ASP, broke a Taser, fists and kicks didn’t work. Finally hit him with my radio as he was tossing me around like a rag doll. Hit him with a folding metal chair which exploded into pieces, hit him with a white cutting board which only slowed him for a second. It all came to a stop when I hit him in the head with a box of ceramic floor tiles, he fell and I was able to cuff him before he got up again and began bull rushing me into the wall.

I found out at the hospital that he had a fractured skull. I got a few broken ribs, split lip-my vest did a good job of protecting me from worse injuries.

PCP is no joke. And the size of the person doesn’t matter. Until you’ve fought someone intent on killing you and using all their strength you can only imagine.

But again, these Memphis cops were wrong. And I’d bet it ain’t the first time.

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Originally posted by YooperSigs:
Incidents like these serve only to damage and demonize law enforcement as a profession.

Yes, a substantial portion of the population already hates the police even when they do their job as best they can and with the best intentions, and indefensible incidents such as this give the cop haters reason to say "You see?"

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I want to know how these "cops" were able to be hired in the first place.

I think the left is to blame for this lowering of standards.

The phrase "universal condemnation" comes to mind. I don't see anyone defending these five "officers".

Fraternal Order of Police president Patrick Yoes infuriated by assault during traffic stop

"According to reports, the fact that none of those officers—NONE of them—acted to stop this vicious attack, only compounds my horror—it is sickening," Yoes said. "The men arrested and charged for this crime have rights, the presumption of innocence, and the due process protections of anyone accused of a crime. But the bottom line here is that Tyre Nichols, his family, and our entire country need to see justice done—swiftly and surely."

Yoes said that based on what he's heard about the incident, it doesn't sound like legitimate police work.

"According to reports, the fact that none of those officers—NONE of them—acted to stop this vicious attack, only compounds my horror—it is sickening," Yoes said. "The men arrested and charged for this crime have rights, the presumption of innocence, and the due process protections of anyone accused of a crime. But the bottom line here is that Tyre Nichols, his family, and our entire country need to see justice done—swiftly and surely."

Yoes said that based on what he's heard about the incident, it doesn't sound like legitimate police work.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
The phrase "universal condemnation" comes to mind. I don't see anyone defending these five "officers".

When it first happened and they got relieved that night there was a smattering of "dude fought and now the city is just hanging them out to dry." That stopped very, very quickly as the word started to get out as to what had actually occurred.

No one with any humanity is going to try to defend that. It's the single most horrific display of police misconduct I've ever seen.

We are now well into Day Two and Memphis remains calm. The protests have proceeded without incident. I've heard that there was a group of out of town agitators that showed up at one event and were shown the door by the legitimate protestors. I don't know if that's true or not, but it does sound like the Memphis that I love.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:


I find it hard to believe 4-5 guys can't subdue a scrawny ass guy like that without beating him nearly unconscious.

125lb illegal grabbed my gun one night. He was spaced on PCP and nothing worked on him. I went up and down the use of force continuum, broke an ASP, broke a Taser, fists and kicks didn’t work. Finally hit him with my radio as he was tossing me around like a rag doll. Hit him with a folding metal chair which exploded into pieces, hit him with a white cutting board which only slowed him for a second. It all came to a stop when I hit him in the head with a box of ceramic floor tiles, he fell and I was able to cuff him before he got up again and began bull rushing me into the wall.

I found out at the hospital that he had a fractured skull. I got a few broken ribs, split lip-my vest did a good job of protecting me from worse injuries.

PCP is no joke. And the size of the person doesn’t matter. Until you’ve fought someone intent on killing you and using all their strength you can only imagine.

But again, these Memphis cops were wrong. And I’d bet it ain’t the first time.

That's a crazy story, wow! One on one though right? Not five on one. I have seen videos of encounters with people on PCP, they feel no pain.

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Originally posted by YooperSigs:
The excuse for this event was supposedly a traffic violation for reckless driving.

I don't believe for a minute that he was reckless driving. No Proof. There are no witnesses. None. Certainly not the "Memphis Five."

Nothing about Tyre says street thug. Nothing about him says PCP.

So far all we have is a Fed-Ex worker close to his own middle class neighborhood, headed home.

It seems to me that this was all about ego with those "officers". They have disgraced all the police officers who strive to do the best job they can, and that means most of them.

I have no doubt that every police officer- current or retired- in this forum knows what it means to put aside their personal feelings during the performance of their duty, even though this must at times be a very difficult thing to do.

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Originally posted by Rightwire:

20:41:20 Rescue appears to arrive and starts treatment on scene. It's really hard to see what is happening but it looks like he isn't transported until after 21:00hrs

Wow, the medics on scene have been relieved of duty. What in the world.....

https://www.actionnews5.com/20...vestigation-ongoing/

from the article in the link...

“There is concern if they were not there in a timely manner and they didn’t do what they were supposed to do,” said Councilwoman Robinson.

Placing someone on administrative leave is standard procedure while an internal investigation regarding a serious matter is ongoing.

In a situation like this, the medics will continue to get paid until the investigation is complete, and then if cleared, return to work. If not cleared, they could be looking as disciplinary action or termination, at which point their paid leave would end and they'd be fired.

The 5 ex-cops were likely also initially placed on administrative leave as the department began looking into the incident, before being shortly terminated as the facts became clear.

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Originally posted by YooperSigs:
Incidents like these serve only to damage and demonize law enforcement as a profession. The media coverage of it feeds into that narrative.
I want to know how these "cops" were able to be hired in the first place.

This may explain part of it.

Until recently, all newly hired officers had to live in Shelby County.
In March, 2022, Governor Bill Lee has signed State Senator Brian Kelsey’s bill to allow first responders across Tennessee to live where they choose.

https://www.fox13memphis.com/n...J25GFLI6BWB7LKAFACM/


There are a lot of good officers at MPD. My son is one of them. He patrols some of the worst parts of the city and I worry about him daily. It's a bad situation.

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Originally posted by Rightwire:

20:41:20 Rescue appears to arrive and starts treatment on scene. It's really hard to see what is happening but it looks like he isn't transported until after 21:00hrs

Wow, the medics on scene have been relieved of duty. What in the world.....

There's no excuse for a 20 minute scene time there.