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Originally posted by vinnybass:
This Memphis thing flies in the face of the prevailing narrative on such matters.

Yes. Yes it does. In many ways.

In either case, the Guard has been activated by Governor Kemp, just in case.
Unlike the intentional actions of Nancy Pelosi on 1/6, he seems to be prepared and won't hesitate to do his job.
Better to have it and not need it.
https://www.fox5atlanta.com/ne...-governor-brian-kemp

CA metro-area LEO's and CHP have been put on tactical alert for this weekend in response to protest announcements regarding the Memphis-case.

We get a break in the weather and the professional complainer network is getting spun-up. Stay safe out there everyone and get what you need to get done early in the day.

I can't imagine Atlanta having too much trouble this weekend. Other cities had better watch out.

I wonder if the guardsmen are being provided with ammunition, or are they going to walk around with empty rifles?

Just once I want to see a response from LEO - 1st rock/1st flame----mow down the entire front line - rinse-repeat!

High-pressure fire hoses would be fine. Make the street and sidewalk as clean as can be.

Why don’t local PDs and NG troops have access to those non-lethal DARPA-created anti-riot systems?

Purple dye/capsaicin/skunk spray chems and HF heat-directed energy targeting devices would give those Leftist nihilistic anarchists a good dose of unpleasant medicine.

And if that fails, well…

Years ago during my riot control training, we watched video of a Polish anti-riot unit called ZOMO handle large protests. They were big proponents of the water cannon.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
I can't imagine Atlanta having too much trouble this weekend. Other cities had better watch out.

I wonder if the guardsmen are being provided with ammunition, or are they going to walk around with empty rifles?

Meanwhile in Minneapolis…

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In 2020 my local shop had two break in attempts by leftist looking groups. Luckily both failed, and they got an extension ladder from one of them.

Rioters and looters shot on sight.

Watching the video of the "arrest".

Jesus! What a bunch of clowns! Five big ol' boys like that and they can't get this guy cuffed. He breaks away from them at least twice. Even if the guy is high on PCP, coke, meth, these five big officers- supposedly properly trained- should have been able to subdue this guy without beating the shit out of him.

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Originally posted by Ronin1069:
Meanwhile in Minneapolis…

If I owned a gun store in that area, well, remember this tale I recounted to you guys?

https://sigforum.com/eve/forum...760090984#3760090984

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Originally posted by Sig2340:
One person who has seen it says it was a worse beating than Rodney King's tuneup at the hands of California cops.

I'll admit, when I read this yesterday, I was skeptical.

But having watched all the videos released today, that's actually accurate.

Use of force is seldom pretty, even when reasonable and justified, but what I saw was absolutely disgusting and totally unreasonable. Those five ex-cops (and the city) are fucked, and deservedly so.

Even the bodycam footage of their initial contact with the guy, prior to the later beating during their second encounter, is full of glaring problems.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

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Originally posted by Sig2340:
One person who has seen it says it was a worse beating than Rodney King's tuneup at the hands of California cops.

I'll admit, when I read this yesterday, I was skeptical.

But having watched all the videos released, that's actually accurate.

Absolutely disgusting. Those five ex-cops (and the city) are fucked, and rightfully so.

Even the bodycam of their initial contact with the guy, prior to the later beating during their second encounter, is full of problems.

Yup total trash and they’re done. I imagine they’ll all plead out, idk how you could even think taking it to trial would be good with these videos. How can 4 officers have a guy down and he somehow gets up and runs off? They look horribly trained and ill-prepared for the situation and the guy didn’t appear high or anything. Passively resisting initially, then breaks free and gets a ghetto beat down. “Ima baton the fuck outta you!” Looked like, at one point, two officers were damn near holding up the guy while a third punched him a couple time and pretty sure I saw an open handed slap. They had, seemingly, zero arrest and control tactics, no basic holds and such to control the guy. Then some random pointless kicks while guy is down.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

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Originally posted by Sig2340:
One person who has seen it says it was a worse beating than Rodney King's tuneup at the hands of California cops.

I'll admit, when I read this yesterday, I was skeptical.

But having watched all the videos released today, that's actually accurate.

I have the opposite opinion after watching all four videos. If King was a 10, what I saw was about a 4. I'm NOT defending them or justifying what they did, it (the "beating") just didn't look near as bad a King's.

A couple of thoughts on the videos though:

First, I'll echo Para's comments. Those big old fat fucks can't run 100 yards without being so winded they can't breathe? Disgusting examples.

Second, how is it that those four guys can't seem to cuff one scrawny kid?

Third, again...not defending the cops here, but why in the name of all things holy, do these people not just comply? None of this would have happened if the damn kid had just done what he was told initially. That does NOT justify causing his death, but jeez O'Pete....

And lastly, these cops appear to be nothing more than gang members with badges.

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Gustofer:
And lastly, these cops appear to be nothing more than gang members with badges

I’m interested in their prior criminal history and IA/complaints. I’d wager my retirement check that they were shitbags before this incident and have a history of complaints. Departments have been trying to hire minorities for decades and lowered their standards to get them into the field.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
I have the opposite opinion after watching all four videos.

Did you see the pole cam video? It shows the most comprehensive view of the beating. They repeatedly stomped and kicked him in the head while he was being held down on the ground, then repeatedly struck him with a baton while he was being held up in a kneeling position, then repeatedly beat him about the head and face while he was being held in a standing position. And those were just the most obvious blows, not counting whatever occurred during the scrum on the ground, and not including the various OC and Taser deployments. These guys focused most of their impacts on the head. Most of King's impacts were to the torso and legs. Possibly why the former died and the latter survived.

But the "severity ranking" of the beating is beside the point. Whether it was a 4 or a 10 or an 11teen, and whether it was less or more than King's, it was outrageously unreasonable force, employed by a gaggle of pissed-off guys without any skills or self control or professionalism, and whose behavior throughout the entire series of incidents makes it abundantly clear they had no business being in this line of work.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

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Originally posted by Sig2340:
One person who has seen it says it was a worse beating than Rodney King's tuneup at the hands of California cops.

I'll admit, when I read this yesterday, I was skeptical.

But having watched all the videos released today, that's actually accurate.

Use of force is seldom pretty, even when reasonable and justified, but what I saw was absolutely disgusting and totally unreasonable. Those five ex-cops (and the city) are fucked, and deservedly so.

Even the bodycam footage of their initial contact with the guy, prior to the later beating during their second encounter, is full of glaring problems.

I can say this, those are some shitty cops, the guys from the initial stop are extremely lucky they were removed from the fight.

I find it hard to believe 4-5 guys can't subdue a scrawny ass guy like that without beating him nearly unconscious.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:
But the "severity ranking" of the beating is beside the point. Whether it was a 4 or a 10 or an 11teen, it was outrageously unreasonable force, employed by a gaggle of pissed-off guys without any skills or self control or professionalism, and whose behavior throughout the entire series of incidents makes it abundantly clear they had no business being in this line of work.

I could not agree with you more.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:


I find it hard to believe 4-5 guys can't subdue a scrawny ass guy like that without beating him nearly unconscious.

It happens. Smaller framed individuals can be harder to detain for a number of reasons. They are often wiry and flexible. They are often environmental factors that make it more difficult. Sometimes officers don’t use the enough force and end the conflict quickly for fear of “hurting” the offender. (This is most commonly true with male officers and female offenders) drugs and mental illness also play a factor and add to difficulty.

Now you add in poor or no training. Letting emotions like rage creep in. And yeah, even letting evil in.

It’s a recipe for disaster.

Every cop here can tell you a tale of fighting with a small frame suspect. And it taking multiple officers to get them into custody. That part is far from uncommon.

But it doesn’t end like this.