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Originally posted by sigfreund:
In short, any gun owner who is willing to give up his rights to keep and bear any gun merely because it’s not something he’s interested in owning and using is a fool. Give them an arm or a leg today, and tomorrow they’ll be back for more. That has happened in states and countries around the world, and there is no reason to prevent its happening again anywhere. The ultimate goal of the gun-banners is to ban all guns—each and every one—and any (present) gun owner who doesn’t recognize that is willfully blind.

Very well said, sigfreund. I watched this exact thing happen in Maryland when I was a resident there and it is now playing out in Virginia.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
The history of infringement of gun-owners’ rights includes one tale after another of some of those owners’ willingness to toss other owners out of the sleigh to the wolves in the hope that the wolves will stop chasing the tossers to eat the sacrificial victims. Another way to look at is that they will try feeding the sharks a foot, then a leg, then a hand, then an arm in the continuing hope that at some point the sharks will become sated and leave them alone, never to come back for more.

Almost to a "T", I have made the very same point countless times previously. It seems such a simple and obvious truth, and yet I'm mildly shocked as, over the years, I continue to run into gun owners ignorant of the history of gun control in the U.S., to say nothing of other countries.

The sad fact is that there are many, perhaps even a majority, of gun owners, who are " casual owners" and simply don't know much about firearms, shooting, or the laws (and history) that regulate them...and we continue to lose ground because of this. To make matters worse, they don't care to learn this history.

Seems the White House know about the situation.

Seems the ATF got some pressure.

guns and gadgets on you tube video:

ATF Backs Off of Q and Honey Badger - For 60 Days

60 days. I'm trembling with gratitude.

Maybe we should all be posting re: this topic in THIS Thread --> https://sigforum.com/eve/forums...0105858/m/2570023574

Has anyone else heard rumors about the ATF taking action on pistol arm braces today? I just heard Ted Cruz say something about it. It didn't sound good.

https://sigforum.com/eve/forums...0601935/m/9970035284

Very few things would fit the new pistol rules.

Fact from my California History class-originally, both rifles and shotguns were going to be restricted to 18 inches. The rifle restriction was eased at the demand of Winchester, whose "Ranger" length carbine was one of the most popular carbines at the time.

If Chipman is confirmed to the ATF, its going to get far worse than this

he is as rabid anti-gun as it gets and the regressives are foaming at the mouth wanting to him in

he will become the poster child of election fraud

Well, I'm ordering a 10.5" upper. Screw it.

ETA: And screw them.

I refuse to comply... they'll have to pry it from my cold, dead hands. The line has been drawn and I am a man of conviction (with no children to fear for).

If the rule change goes through, there will be litigation to the Supreme Court for sure. That possibility will for sure moderate the decisions of some of the actors involved, just like the other rule change. And with the Senate at 50/50, we'll see what happens with appointments coming up.

^^ I suspect you are right. There's no way they want this rule, as written, challenged. It's gobbelty-gook and is unobjective in many of its "points" criteria.

Comforting to see this on the local level. I wouldn't have expected this from my sheriff here in Summit County, but I'm very pleased that he is apparently in line with the rest of the State.

All 29 Utah Sheriffs Promise to ‘Steadfastly Protect’ 2nd Amendment Amid Gun-Control Push
BY JACK PHILLIPS June 15, 2021 Updated: June 15, 2021

Every sheriff in the state of Utah signed a letter saying they would try to safeguard the Second Amendment in the midst of proposed legislation and recent executive orders authorized by President Joe Biden.

“Importantly, the Second Amendment of our divinely inspired Constitution clearly states … ‘the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed,’” said the statement (pdf), signed by all 29 sheriffs in the state, and was released via Cache County Sheriff Chad Jensen’s office. “We hereby recognize a significant principle underlying the Second Amendment: the right to keep and bear arms is indispensable to the existence of a free people.”

Their letter and promise were “prompted by increasing public concern” over constitutional rights, namely the Second Amendment.

“As your elected Sheriffs, we individually and collectively pledge to do everything within our power to steadfastly protect the Second Amendment and all other individual rights guaranteed by the Constitution,” the letter states. “We understand the destructive influences currently existing in our country will only relent when women and men everywhere genuinely care for each other. We must rely on Providence and care deeply about preserving the Constitution and its freedoms in order to be a strong and prosperous people.”

While the letter did not make mention of any specific elected officials, bills, or orders at the federal or state level, Democrats in Congress have recently introduced or passed several bills that would enhance background checks, ban magazines that hold more than 10 rounds, and would ban so-called “assault weapons.”

Separately, a rule introduced this month by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) at the request of the Biden administration would reclassify firearms that have stabilizing pistol braces as illegal.

“When individuals use accessories to convert pistols into short-barreled rifles, they must comply with the heightened regulations on those dangerous and easily concealable weapons,” the Department of Justice said earlier this month about the rules. The DOJ also argued that the braces allow people to easily “convert pistols into these more dangerous weapons” without going through a background check or meeting other requirements.

White House press secretary Jen Psaki suggested in April that Biden has an appetite to issue orders relating to gun-control, which came after he announced executive actions to regulate so-called “ghost guns” and introduced proposals for “red flag” laws.

“The president is not going to wait for Congress to act to take additional executive actions—this is the beginning,” she said at the time.

Republicans have expressed near-unanimous opposition to the Democrat-backed legislation on guns, as well as Biden’s recent orders. At the state level, several governors have recently signed bills that would classify their states as “Second Amendment Sanctuary States.”

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