Yes, she’s toast. It will not end well. There are 2 “witnesses” who recorded her pacing the deck outside the apartment who are telling a different story than the one she told to the Texas Rangers. Of course these 2 “witnesses” went to the lawyer for the family of the man shot and haven’t talked to law enforcement of any kind.

The incident happened and the new Dallas Chief of Police knowing the mood of the District Attorney (who’s running for re-election) decided to give the investigation to the Texas Rangers rather than stir up a sh*t storm. The DA didn’t like where the Rangers were headed so she’s taken the case back over and foo-fooing the Rangers’ recommendation of manslaughter. You can read the writing on the wall already. The DA got great publicity when she got a conviction on the Roy Oliver case (cop who shot a kid in a car). So she sees this as an opportunity to seal the election with her support group. Regardless of what finally happens it won’t be good.

We had just moved from Seattle to Norwalk ct. My wife and I were in our temp living apartment, and had been there for about 2 months. It was near the last day of our kids school year, 2nd and 3rd grade. they had made this massive change admirably, so after picking the wife up from the train station at 8 30, we hit up a local Japanese place in south port/Farmington. It was about 10:30 when we got back.

We parked in our assigned slot, took the elevator up to our floor, went to our door. We tried my key, the wifes key, then the kids tried the keys. Our apartment was 223 on the 2nd floor. We had ridden the elevator up with another guy who got off on 1. he pushed floor 5. not 2, just to be an ass. We stood there for 10 minutes trying the damn door. we were all exhausted. It had been one long hot hellatious day. We talked about maybe the temp living funding had not went to the right account, as it had the gone to the wrong account the first month and that management changed the keys. What finally clued us in, was that the paint in the hall way was different.

We checked the floor numbers and realized our mistake. Went down and let our selves into our apartment. I know for a fact this type of thing can happen.

What I am unsure of is the go in, confront the person, and fire. I get that you are trained to do so, you are also trained to wait for back up in many situations. This would seem to be one of those times based on the info provided.

I can see getting confused on the floor of modern construction. But once you enter "your" apartment and none of "your stuff" is in there. It's not decorated like you decorate your apartment, etc, unless you are Comedian Steven Wright it's time to decide you've made a mistake, not time to unholster.

She states she never walked farther then one step and saw a dark figure who came at her and did not stop when commanded so she shot.

By the way the attorney retained by the family is the one that represented Trayvon’s family.

Mark my words it will be a crap show and no one will know the truth.

A good study would be to look at all the accidental police shootings, and investigate the officers. How many were hired because of diversity or lack of quality candidates? Compare this with how many regular officers who went through the academy, were hired on their own merits and accidentally shot someone. The compare the number of diversity hires to people who made it on their own.

I have been an employee and employer, and one can pretty much spot which employee will eventually screw up big time. My WAG would be that at least 90% of those officers that make major mistakes were hired for diversity or other poor reasons.

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Originally posted by hbabler:
By the way the attorney retained by the family is the one that represented Trayvon’s and Michael Brown's family.

Fixed it for you. I'm sure he saw the dollar signs before the medical examiner had even taken custody of the body.

Don't know why, but somehow it seems like the Dallas PD is cursed in some way.

Looking back at their history, it's been a rough road for them time and time again, going all the way back to 1963 or so.

I’ve performed surgical procedures on people after being up 30 hours. Never once did I mistakenly walk into the wrong patient’s room to do so. Working for 15 is no excuse. People do it all the time.

Well, I typed a longer response and dropped the phone. So that one disappeared.
More succintly, a BLM flunky murdered DPD LEOs recently. In turn he was blown up by a robot. She works in a specialized team to apprehend more-violent-than-usual crims. She has, I logically deduce, recieved death threats from her arrestees. Being fatigued on arriving home and finding the door ajar and a potential ambuser inside... it is logical to shoot in mistaken self-defense.

Murder? No. Manslaughter? Maybe. Involutary manslaught? Yes.

I really really wish that his door had been locked. I am not blaming the victim. As a longtime apt renter I learned that a locked door is a preventive to many problems.

Sunday I worked 14 hours. Monday was a 19 hour day that went into Tuesday morning. After both shifts I caught an Uber to a hotel, checked in and went to my room. I didn’t get into the wrong Uber. I didn’t try to go into the wrong room.

When I travel a 12-20 hour day is normal. I’ve never once gone to the wrong room even after multiple long days in a row. And that’s a hotel room. I can’t imagine going to the wrong door if I lived there.

I typically hate the Monday morning QB but I’ve worked more 15+ hour shifts than I can count so I’m pretty unsympathetic to her story.

For sure if a 15 hour day is enough to make her kill an innocent man then police work is probably not the right line of work for her to be in.

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Originally posted by mr kablammo:
...Being fatigued on arriving home and finding the door ajar and a potential ambuser inside... it is logical to shoot in mistaken self-defense.

The problem with your reasoning is she didn’t arrive home, she arrived at someone else’s home.

I am very pro-law enforcement but she seriously screwed the pooch. You reach a certain level of fuck-up and it can’t be ignored, can’t be excused away.


I think the onus is on the person preparing to use lethal force that they have properly assessed the situation.


When we have a burglary reported we send a minimum of two and usually more cops to handle. How many times have LEO on this board said people shouldn’t clear their own homes, should be a minimum of two or more officers to do it.

If that is the case, and she truly was exhausted wouldn’t the better approach have been to back off, watch the door and call it in?


Sorry, I believe it truly was a mistake but it should have an extreme penalty attached, she took a man’s life.

Has alcohol been ruled out?

Did she have a red rug like his in front of her door? If his door was ajar, why was she reportedly pounding on his door saying, “Open up?”

Should fatigue ever be an excuse for a trained and experienced professional?

she Does look really sleepy in her mugshot

911Boss, I typed up a response. That was wiped out by fumbling the phone and hot Pu Erh tea. So to summarize. You posted 'extreme penalty'. Death? Life in prison? 50 years, no breaks? Which level of conviction?

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Originally posted by Dusty78:
she Does look really sleepy in her mugshot

She was booked three days after the incident. So her appearance in the mugshot is not indicative of her appearance at the time of the shooting.

As for the booking photo, I suspect she had minimal sleep during the intervening days between the shooting and her booking, due to the weight of the situation.

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Originally posted by Sportshooter:
Did she have a red rug like his in front of her door? If his door was ajar, why was she reportedly pounding on his door saying, “Open up?”

I think both of those questions are going to be key. While one might overlook a welcome mat, who was she expecting to open the door if she was really pounding on it and calling out "Open up?" Another question is whether she knew or had had run-ins with Mr. Jean? If there's any negative history between them, it's going to make it look even worse and less like the mistake that she claimed.

Amber Guyger is finished as a cop and her life has been permanently altered by her OWN actions.

Tons of questions. I was restless all night thinking about this situation.

What was he wearing? Did she wake him up? Where there any lights on inside the apartment? Where was her light - was it weapon mounted, did she have it in her support hand? Did she even use a light?
Was the door really ajar or unlocked? Did he think it was locked and it just hadn't pulled all the way to?
Reason these questions bug me is that lets say she did used a light. Lets say she did wake him up and there he is confused bright light in his face in his underwear someone in his home yelling at him and before he can do anything she shoots him. That would reason that she did have an opportunity to identify whether he was a threat or not and made the choice to shoot based on what?

I've read probably too many responses to a thread on another forum that made me want to puke. Basically it was this guy's fault for leaving his door unlocked and not showing his hands when told to by a police officer. I am thankful for SigForum yet again for a rational, reasoned, discussion on how this plays out. I feel for this guys family and friends. I am very familiar with where he went to school and if it is as it appears he literally was a choir boy.