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A Modest Proposal – $500+ Government Payment for Vasectomy for At Risk Males
September 15, 2018, 07:27 AM
71 TRUCKA Modest Proposal – $500+ Government Payment for Vasectomy for At Risk Males
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Originally posted by oldbill123:
Welfare needs to be capped. No more benefits for having more children
If I remember correctly New Jersey tried this in the 90s and it worked.
Then a new governor was elected and it went back to the way it was in the past.
People were saying the children would suffer but if i remember correctly the birth rate went down.
I worked in a lot of areas where this type of welfare was abused. As far as most of the mothers were concerned if was just another form of obtaining money. In most cases the children never benefited from the extra money these mothers were given.
With all of that said I am sure some children did benefit from the programs offered.
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September 15, 2018, 07:35 AM
Skins2881Hero to the left
Margaret Sanger already tried this. The sterilizations were OK, but she figured out how to get rid of undesirables both pre and post conception.
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Sic Semper Tyrannis September 15, 2018, 09:10 AM
craigcpaquote:
Originally posted by EasyFire:
I am convinced that these adult males capable of procreating would embrace the opportunity to collect $500 or even $1000 for a virtually painless reversible procedure and never have to worry about child maintenance.
EasyFire
My experience in this environment is totally different than yours. I remember one fellow telling me about one of his accomplices/interludes "she wanted me to give her a black baby." It's not just men.
Secondly, in that environment, shootin' blanks is just as feminine as takin' it up the ***. Manhood is exhibited by blowing up an uterus.
As a side note, uneducated people also believe, apparently from discussions I've overheard, that you can simply place an order for the sex of the child; like at a restaurant. Most recently, I've heard the disappointment from an early age grandmother that her grandchild was a daughter, but the mom was "doin' okay, anyway."
You're talking about a lower life form.
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September 15, 2018, 09:40 AM
BigSwedequote:
Originally posted by EasyFire:
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Originally posted by darthfuster:
I suspect welfare queens will prefer males who can reproduce.
Do you think the guy is going to tell the Welfare Queen - "I shoot blanks" or will he say we gots to try harder and more times?
EasyFire
She will find a sperm donor, it's their way of life to have kids as early as possible to get some of that gubmint cheese. No change will happen until you take the incentive to have welfare babies away
September 15, 2018, 12:52 PM
airsoft guyquote:
Originally posted by BadDogPSD:
If you can't afford to feed, don't breed. Uncle Sam is NOT your baby daddy.
I'd rather they get rid of welfare.
I'd like it if chocolate cake got me ripped instead of diabetes, but that's probably not happening either.
If we gotta do something (and we do, because there's enough Think Of The Childrens! out there), I'd rather it be something that works. Tossing them money for every new fuck trophy they fart out clearly isn't helping.
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Originally posted by Will938:
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September 15, 2018, 01:03 PM
220-9erDream on, never going to happen.
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September 15, 2018, 02:58 PM
DMFquote:
Originally posted by Skins2881:
Hero to the left
Margaret Sanger already tried this. The sterilizations were OK, but she figured out how to get rid of undesirables both pre and post conception.
Without offering any opinion on the merit (or lack of merit) of the OP's idea, I will point out his idea is drastically different than Sanger's. Sanger wanted forced sterilization, which is much different than what the OP proposes, which is offering an incentive to voluntarily be sterilized.
Regardless, I doubt the idea could garner much support, but if any support could be found it would require a similar plan/incentive for women, such as tubal ligation. Without that it would be rejected as favoring men over women.
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September 15, 2018, 03:05 PM
darthfusterquote:
Originally posted by BigSwede:
quote:
Originally posted by EasyFire:
quote:
Originally posted by darthfuster:
I suspect welfare queens will prefer males who can reproduce.
Do you think the guy is going to tell the Welfare Queen - "I shoot blanks" or will he say we gots to try harder and more times?
EasyFire
She will find a sperm donor, it's their way of life to have kids as early as possible to get some of that gubmint cheese. No change will happen until you take the incentive to have welfare babies away
Let people suffer the consequences of their own behaviors regardless of how painful it is to watch. If we don't start doing this none of these problems will ever get solved.
You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier September 15, 2018, 03:29 PM
46and2Eugenics is eugenics, essentially, whether shrouded in a premise of it being voluntary or not. The goal is the same, one group deciding what's good and what's not and attempting to breed it out of other groups. The problem, of course, comes down to who gets to decide.
No one should be messing around with the most human of personal choices and options : procreation itself. We can't implement intelligence tests, or means tests, or political affiliation tests beforehand either. Such is life, it's problems will never be that "easy" to solve.
But most importantly, don't screw around with someone else's body and choices like that, whether their choice is to have a child or not have one, no choice is ever more personal than that. And it is never anyone else's business nor should it be, laws be damned.
Our government, at all levels, needs to stay the fuck out of people's business in those regards. The man of a given couple barely has any input, given the woman's role in human reproduction, and it's definitely not anyone else business what they do or don't do about it.
The worst travesty in all of this is that there are any laws whatsoever that impose themselves upon the body of another adult. However right minded and well intended such laws are, they were terrible ideas and ought to be reversed, swiftly and permanently.
This includes ideas to incentivize the less desirable elements of society into surgery/etc.
Focus your energies elsewhere.
September 16, 2018, 08:00 AM
egregorequote:
Originally posted by V-Tail:
quote:
Originally posted by EasyFire:
Hey, the docs do use aesthetics.
Well, you do want them to look good.
September 16, 2018, 08:14 AM
shovelheadBut should society in general be responsible for the result of the acts of irresponsible parents?
Safety net,sure, it has to be in place. But when there is a pattern of illegitimate births then what? Is it our responsibility to incentivize them to continue to procreate?
No easy answer here.
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September 16, 2018, 08:54 AM
Scooter123quote:
Originally posted by EasyFire:
I am convinced that these adult males capable of procreating would embrace the opportunity to collect $500 or even $1000 for a virtually painless reversible procedure and never have to worry about child maintenance.
EasyFire
Back in 1980 a friend of my brother and myself decided to have a vasectomy at 28 years old because he had Krohn's Disease. We tried out best to talk him out of doing this. Two years later he met the love of his life while in the hospital being treated for a flareup and after he was married tried to have it "reversed". After 10 years of trying without even a hint of a pregnancy they ended up adopting, because they really wanted children. IMO you need to reconsider that claim that a Vasectomy is "easily reversed" because it's not, the actual success rate for reversal is pretty poor and gets even worse with every year that goes by.
BTW, don't deny your idea of paying certain folks who are obvious piss poor parent material to sterilize themselves having a positive potential but do have concerns that it could be a very "slippery slope" that could end up with a really negative long term outcome.
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September 16, 2018, 09:00 AM
EasyFirequote:
Originally posted by egregore:
quote:
Originally posted by V-Tail:
quote:
Originally posted by EasyFire:
Hey, the docs do use aesthetics.
Well, you do want them to look good.
I guess I was a bit tired and careless in typing my reply.
EasyFire
September 16, 2018, 09:15 AM
AglifterRestrict it as a program for convicts? Get a vasectomy prior to release, get 10K on release?
September 16, 2018, 10:06 AM
MikeinNCTurn off welfare, if they don't get a check for the kids, they will start using condoms or other types of birth control.
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rusbroquote:
Originally posted by craigcpa:
Secondly, in that environment, shootin' blanks is just as feminine as takin' it up the ***. Manhood is exhibited by blowing up an uterus.
This was my first thought as well. No thug worth his salt would let some Dr. disconnect is balls.
September 16, 2018, 08:30 PM
BBMWI will point out it only takes one fully functional rooster to knock up a lot of hens. Maybe this approach needs to be taken with both sides of the transaction.
September 16, 2018, 09:11 PM
Scott in NCalWould it change anything if the money was not government? Private donations and a not for profit clinic. All volunteer, no one is forced to do anything , either to have the proceedure or pay for it. Consenting adults involved in legal activities. Privately funded clinics pay former gang members to have tattoos removed (and no, not by cutting their arms off). Of course to be fair the same deal would have to be offered to women. Even at $10,000 the payback would be enormous. I have no idea how much a high risk pregnancy, drug addicted baby, special needs care a
and perhaps social security disability costs society' but some will be avoided undoubtedly. All volunteer, no one has to take the money. It is there choice, they get to decide. No one is forced, no one coerced, no obligation or prohibation for any future decisions. They are welcome to attempt to reverse the proceedure the next day if the want to. What about paying for birth control implants, same rule, no government $, completely volunteer.
September 17, 2018, 09:27 AM
Rev. A. J. Forsythquote:
Originally posted by 46and2:
Eugenics is eugenics, essentially, whether shrouded in a premise of it being voluntary or not. The goal is the same, one group deciding what's good and what's not and attempting to breed it out of other groups. The problem, of course, comes down to who gets to decide.
No one should be messing around with the most human of personal choices and options : procreation itself. We can't implement intelligence tests, or means tests, or political affiliation tests beforehand either. Such is life, it's problems will never be that "easy" to solve.
But most importantly, don't screw around with someone else's body and choices like that, whether their choice is to have a child or not have one, no choice is ever more personal than that. And it is never anyone else's business nor should it be, laws be damned.
Our government, at all levels, needs to stay the fuck out of people's business in those regards. The man of a given couple barely has any input, given the woman's role in human reproduction, and it's definitely not anyone else business what they do or don't do about it.
The worst travesty in all of this is that there are any laws whatsoever that impose themselves upon the body of another adult. However right minded and well intended such laws are, they were terrible ideas and ought to be reversed, swiftly and permanently.
This includes ideas to incentivize the less desirable elements of society into surgery/etc.
Focus your energies elsewhere.
Exactly.
Vasectomies for undesirables is the start of a slide down a very slippery slope.