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Originally posted by Chuck Perry:
One more point I should have made in my last post. My gut reaction, based upon his words and actions, this kid knew exactly what was up when the officer walked up on him. The kid knew, and the officer knew he knew too. But he did a nice job acting for the camera he activated right before first contact.

It doesn't matter who knew what or when. When does a speeding ticket require walking up with weapon pulled and then reaching into a man's pocket without permission ?

You can say "felony stop" or whatever, but that doesn't apply here does it ?

First...I am NOT A JUDGE!!!

But I am a rider with a few years and miles under my belt. Yes; I've been pulled over and ticketed for speeding. So I'm not going to comment on the gun or badge or flashing lights or any of that. Bike rider probably was speeding; if you ride you know that.

But if you pull me over and during the course of normal business you state you're going to knock me/bike over, you are no more fit to be in public as even a private citizen much less an officer of the law.

I've never been an officer either. If I didn't do my job per company policy and procedure I'd be fired. My opinion is that this officer needs fired. Just like any of us that screw up.

Misdemeanor traffic offense

Hello

McFly

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Misdemeanor traffic offense

Hello

McFly

I've been busted in that area running in excess of 90, younger and dumber, the law there is I believe 40+ over the limit can be considered "felony flight". This is the way it was explained to me. They can just assume you must be escaping from the commission of a crime if you're going that fast.

I have no idea how fast he was going, and not making any excuses, just saying.

Officer actually endangered himself when he grabbed his wallet - a passerby could have easily mistaken this for armed robbery and engaged the alleged attacker.

looks like strong armed robbery to me.

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Originally posted by stoic-one:

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Misdemeanor traffic offense

Hello

McFly

I've been busted in that area running in excess of 90, younger and dumber, the law there is I believe 40+ over the limit can be considered "felony flight". This is the way it was explained to me. They can just assume you must be escaping from the commission of a crime if you're going that fast.

I have no idea how fast he was going, and not making any excuses, just saying.

The longer video shows 127MPH at one point.

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Originally posted by Chuck Perry:
One more point I should have made in my last post. My gut reaction, based upon his words and actions, this kid knew exactly what was up when the officer walked up on him. The kid knew, and the officer knew he knew too. But he did a nice job acting for the camera he activated right before first contact.

nothing like a little victim blaming on this sunny thursday afternoon.

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The longer video shows 127MPH at one point.

Is there a link to that longer video?

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Originally posted by HRK:

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The longer video shows 127MPH at one point.

Is there a link to that longer video?

I looked for it.

Yesterday, I watched the OP linked video, and right after, a longer version played, it ran about 8 minutes and started with the stop, but then it played the "up to the point of the stop". Had the kid riding, weaving through traffic, and at one point up to 127MPH (shown by a red comment flag pointing at the speedo) then he slows to about 84MPH (another red flag pointer) and he pulls a wheelie, then sees a State Trooper in the median, points it out with a red pointer, the kid pulls to the right lane and the red pointer shows him doing 67MPH. After he is several hundred yards down the road, he speeds back up to around the 80 MPH (my estimates) and eventually leads to the red light where he stops.

I am betting he may have seen the cop behind him and his party lights, above the passenger visor area.

I am not looking to excuse the cop's actions, but I would want to know more about the "up to this point", both the rider, and the cop, as well as history for both of them.

I think the kid pulled the longer video, and I should have linked it yesterday.

In any event, I have a photgraphic memory and can "replay" it in my head.

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Originally posted by Graniteguy:
Officer actually endangered himself when he grabbed his wallet - a passerby could have easily mistaken this for armed robbery and engaged the alleged attacker.

Yep.

Being an 'off duty' policeman or not, and having a tiny badge visible from close range at particular angles, or not, that LEO was brain-dead.

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Originally posted by Chuck Perry:
One more point I should have made in my last post. My gut reaction, based upon his words and actions, this kid knew exactly what was up when the officer walked up on him. The kid knew, and the officer knew he knew too. But he did a nice job acting for the camera he activated right before first contact.

So...next time you get pulled over I assume you would be totally fine if the officer does it in plain clothes, gun drawn, and reaches in your car to take your wallet out of your pocket?

And would it be OK if they do it to your wife or kid?

Outside of the rider committing some serious felony (in which case he would have been arrested), this was not OK.

I've had quite the pleasant interaction with my local LE after getting pulled over riding.

No reasonable excuse exists. That officer is toast.

If the officer is going to make an arrest, he should make it obvious that he is an officer making an arrest. What's with that "holding pistol to side of chest" thing ?!?!

In Utah, where over 10% of the people are armed, he would likely have been shot. Especially when he snatched the wallet.

The problem with abusive officers is that there's nothing you can do to prevent it while it's happening. And almost as much chance if fixing it in Court later. The best you can do is be polite and take it. Just pray he's not a psycho and preparing to execute you, because if you defend against that, even successfully, his buddies may execute you in the response, as they sometimes do. If they don't, you'll be beaten to a pulp, and that's if you're lucky. In any case you're basically screwed if you're the victim so to speak of a corrupt officer. Sort of like some bad cops in third world shitholes. Sometimes the thin blue line is thicker that one would hopel