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| Lawyers, Guns and Money  |
Na... your analysis is right. McCain should have lost the primary. The voters have to learn the truth about the people who they have elected for decades. Besides... I wouldn't have a Hi-Point.  "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Happily Retired |
Pretty obvious McCain doesn't care about re-election or even what people in Arizona think. He will spend whatever time he has left trying to screw over Trump. May he burn in hell.  .....never marry a woman who is mean to your waitress. | |||
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Political Cynic |
McStain is a short timer I wish him the worst - the arrogant piece of trash they still haven't figured it out we DON'T WANT a replacement - we want the feds out of healthcare all the way out look how fucked up the VA is - this is what they plan on doing to ALL of us we want it the way it was - if you're working and busting your ass, you can buy health coverage my second biggest expense item in the company next to salaries is health care premiums they have more than doubled for my 65 employees and we have tried to absorb the increases so that they're paying today what they paid in 2009 we can no longer afford to give out bonuses [B] Against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC | |||
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Oriental Redneck |
Yup, that is exactly the point. Chance after chance to get rid of this known POS, but no, they continue to make excuses. Oh, his primary opponent is this and that, not good enough, blah blah blah. And, look what we ended up with, a POS still, that manages to screw the nation just to spite the President. No one currently in Congress pisses me off more than this worthless scum right now. Q | |||
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| Jack of All Trades, Master of Nothing  |
Nope, not making excuses, just laying out what actually happened in the last election cycle. I did my part of voting for Kelli Ward in the primary. The choice in the general was McCain or worse. My daughter can deflate your daughter's soccer ball. | |||
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| wishing we were congress |
emails for McCain, Murkowski, and Collins Tell them what you think of them. Don't pull any punches. They just may have damned you to obamacare forever and may have put the Republican congress in jeopardy for 2018. https://www.mccain.senate.gov/...dex.cfm/contact-form https://www.murkowski.senate.gov/contact/email https://www.collins.senate.gov/contact | |||
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| Oriental Redneck |
Wasn't referring to you at all, because you did your part. Was talking about all others who made excuse to vote for McStain in the primaries. Q | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money |
I agree with you. Unfortunately, the “skinny repeal” bill wouldn't have done that. I have attacked McCain, and will continue to do so, because he didn't vote the way he voted for the right reasons. I would have voted for it just to get it to conference, but realistically, we still wouldn't get the .gov out of it. The “skinny repeal” was a bad bill: July 29, 2017 Before We Vilify John McCain By Thomas Wheatley On Friday morning, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) cast the decisive vote and rejected the Health Care Freedom Act, colloquially known as the “skinny repeal” of the Affordable Care Act. Sen. McCain’s vote, along with two other Republican senators, left the final tally at 51 nays and 49 yeas, dealing a devastating blow to Republican efforts to repeal ObamaCare. Conservatives like myself are understandably furious at our elected officials’ seeming inability to make good on their campaign promises. We are ideally situated to reap the gains of nearly a decade of tireless campaigning -- knocking on doors, making thousands of phone calls, and dragging our friends to the polls on election day -- all ensure true conservatives represented us in Washington. We did our part. But let’s face it: the “skinny repeal” was bad law. It reflected a stunning lack of substance, and was intentionally designed to patronize conservative constituents without easing any of ObamaCare’s burdens. In sum, the bill had two main provisions: a permanent repeal of the individual mandate, and a temporary suspension of the employer mandate and medical device tax. Otherwise, the law made no other substantive changes, leaving intact 411 of ObamaCare’s 419 sections. Most destructively, the law left in place ObamaCare’s tremendously onerous demands of health insurance companies. This, as the American Medical Association explained, would have created a toxic concoction: insurance companies would be forced to cover a wide array of costly conditions, but without revenue from the individual mandate, they would be unable to recoup their losses through federal subsidies (at least without the taxpayers incurring a ghastly expansion in the federal deficit). The American people -- mostly the middle class -- would pay astronomical monthly premiums to make up the difference. In that light, Sen. McCain’s vote was of sound political judgment. Opportunities for meaningful healthcare reform do not arise often. For example, seventeen years separated Hillary Clinton’s 1993 attempt to overhaul American healthcare and the enactment of the Affordable Care Act. I hate to imagine the grisly electoral consequences for Republicans if they were forced to defend across a seventeen-year span “skinny repeal’s” legacy of higher premiums for inferior care. Make no mistake: for ObamaCare, the chickens will come home to roost. Even absent interference from the White House, ObamaCare will become what nearly every Democratically-conceived federal entitlement program (notably Social Security and Medicare) has become: an enfeebled government parasite hurtling toward insolvency. Insurers will continue dropping out of the market, healthcare choices will continue to vanish, wait times will continue to increase, and quality of care will continue to decline. Sure -- millions will be “insured,” but their insurance policies will be about as valuable as the paper on which they are printed. No amount of accounting gimmickry from the Congressional Budget Office -- whose ObamaCare projections have been significantly wrong on virtually every material provision of the law -- or misleading comparisons to Scandinavian “miracles” will change this (predictably, Europe is currently struggling to sustain its public healthcare model, and is considering both rationing and privatizing healthcare access). Some Democrats will likely sneer at this GOP fumble, but those having any moral compass will not. Indeed, the Democrats’ swindle has paid off; healthcare is now affixed in the body politic psyche as a “human right.” But the Democrats’ modus operandi of using the people’s money to buy power (relying, of course, on the “stupidity of the American voter” to cinch the deal) has put Americans in a perilous position. The exhilarating high of “free healthcare” may bode well for short-term political gain, but the unavoidable rules of economics will one day come to collect, and by that time, Democrats will have moved on to their next scam. The American people, sadly, will be left yet again to foot the bill for another one of the Democratic Party’s “historic” ideas. As a Republican and a conservative, I refuse to play the Democrats’ crooked game of deception. I believe conservatives are called to a higher standard of statesmanship than that which has been exhibited by the Democratic Party throughout the ObamaCare debacle. Our standard should reject political trickery in favor of deliberation and prudence. The “skinny repeal” reflected neither. As Sen. McCain remarked after his vote, Republicans must “send the bill back to committee, hold hearings, receive input from both sides of aisle, heed the recommendations of [the] nation’s governors, and produce a bill that finally delivers affordable health care for the American people.” http://www.americanthinker.com...ify_john_mccain.html "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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| Political Cynic |
^^^ and therein lies the problem - they still think they can manage our healthcare send McStain to a VA - perhaps he will die in the halls waiting for a bed pan change we don't need hears and committees vote to repeal and be done with it unfortunately we had no choice in the general election here - it was him or a libtard I am thinking the libtard may have been preferable but we needed the number on the seat count AZ has enough libtards - we don't need more [B] Against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process  |
As I understood it, the bill that McCain voted "no" on was never intended to become law. It would have set in motion a House-Senate conference which would produce a bill under the arcanities of reconciliation. I think I heard that some Senators had insisted on Speaker Ryan's guarantee that the House would not pass the bill in that form. IOW, let's vote on a bill we do not want to become law. Huh? This is pretty sophisticated. The problem is that these proposals are not well thought out and explained, there is too much nuance and slight of hand, people have lost confidence in their Representatives on these and other issues and there is no broad consensus in support of national health care. There hasn't been since Hillary's disastrous attempt ~25 years ago, and Obamacare was enacted by a single vote margin with zero votes from the other party. Our Constitution was designed, and implemented, to make it very, very, difficult for a thin majority to ram these things down the throats of a substantial minority of opponents. The God Damned Commies got it in with no votes to spare and the GOP missed repeal with no votes to spare. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money |
That's right... and who knows what the bill would have looked like. This “skinny repeal” was designed as a shell to get to conference with the House bill, neither of which would be expected to survive, but enable members to "conference" (a number of members of the House and Senate, picked by leadership) and produce something else entirely that they would all vote on again. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Cursed be he who moves my bones! |
Voting for the "skinny repeal" is exactly analogous to "passing the bill to find out what's in it." Only in this case, there's not even anything in it, yet. There's no way around that. It's blatant hypocrisy. It's madness. It's a mockery of the legislative process. McCain and the others did the right thing. | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
No they didnt. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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| Member |
This ^^^^ is exactly what I did. After that "no" vote, I also sent him a message that he will not care for, but then again, he couldn't care less what anyone thinks!! | |||
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| wishing we were congress |
bullshit Skinny Repeal: Repeal individual mandate Drop employer mandate for 8 years Give greater flexibility to states Adjust “essential” benefits and Out of pocket spending limit Defund planned parenthood Eliminate medical device tax for 3 years Increase contribution to health savings accounts Eliminate prevention and public health fund Did not touch: Medicaid or federal subsidies So yes there was more work to do to push to a more complete repeal but just dropping the individual mandate, delaying employer mandate, and giving flexibility to the states are reasonable starts. Murkowski and Collins are protecting their Planned Parenthood support You must like obamacare | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money |
Thanks, sdy. McCain can back peddle all day long... he proved he's with Murkowski and Collins and the Democrats. Has been for a long time. Just because it wasn't a good repeal bill doesn't mean it wouldn't have advanced the ball. Hell, he voted against the repeal bill too. There were 7 of them on that vote. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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| Political Cynic |
the best part of McCain was left in the operating room trash can [B] Against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC | |||
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Ammoholic |
McCain unkownly just cast his most conservative vote he's ever casted. I want fed.gov out, period. If we can't fully get rid of it, I rather it implode, it will ruin some insurance companies, and make life hell for some for a short period, but the alternative is far worse. Rebuplican ownership of healthcare, and/or lesser coverage for all in the name of the "greater good". Bullshit All the extra spent on this socialist experiment could cover expanded Medicare. Just let everyone choose their own coverage from the free market, instead of this BS. If I want a $25k deductible,let insurance companies offer it, if I want to pay boatload for insurance companies to cover everything, let Mr buy whichever one suits me. Don't cram this NS down my throat! Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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| Oriental Redneck |
Yes, sir. The core of Obamacare is the mandate. It is the definition of tyranny, as far as I'm concerned. Getting rid of it is a huge start. Q | |||
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| wishing we were congress |
Think about it. CBO said if the individual mandate was dropped, 16 million people would drop their insurance. Because that was their choice. 16 million people. Who would now hate obamacare and want it completely repealed. They get no benefit from it, but their taxes pay for those getting subsidized. 16 million. Things like that are how we get the repeal. More and more Americans need to understand how bad obamacare is. That we really have no choice. obamacare is imploding. Getting rid of the individual mandate is like driving the stake into the vampire. | |||
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