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There must be a separate liberal macro and micro economics course in college because none of mine mentioned things like this....

Not in mine, either.

I am forced to wonder what is in the water consumed in Washington, Oregon and Kalifornistan.

After a couple generations, it must be in the genetic structure out there.

Stupid does not begin to describe these morons.

Or should I call them "moreoffs?"

This is the same city government that allows "community organizations" to hand out free crack pipes (People's Harm Reduction Alliance. University District. A typical looney-tune liberal organization that derives meaning through the exploitation of others) and clean needles, thereby effectively subsidzing drug use while taxing sugared drinks.

Ugh, the city of my birth is a complete nut house.

Silent

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Originally posted by Silent:
This is the same city government that allows "community organizations" to hand out free crack pipes (People's Harm Reduction Alliance. University District. A typical looney-tune liberal organization that derives meaning through the exploitation of others) and clean needles, thereby effectively subsidzing drug use while taxing sugared drinks.

Ugh, the city of my birth is a complete nut house.

Silent

Don’t forget they also want to set up heroin shooting galleries with public health nurses to “assist” the junkies...


Fucking lunacy....

I graduated from HS(in 1982) and have family that live there, they think this shit is "normal" and "expected", then ask me why I don't want to move back. If I bother trying to explain my real reasons I get a deer in the headlights look... I miss that area, but I just can't...

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:...It's typical liberal ignorance. 'Stick it to the evil corporations, we need to tax them MORE!!!'

Uh, who do you think pays any increase in corporate taxes? Do you think they just take it from shareholders or pass along any increase to the cost of the product?

So stupid it hurts.

I don't know how much is their stupidity vs how much is their dishonesty.

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Originally posted by mikeyspizza:
What a bunch of idiots. Seattle-ians are getting exactly the government they deserve.

And, they've already approved spending money they don't even have yet:

Programs that the City Council has approved funding ($5,658,494) for in 2018
already include:

Fresh Bucks, Food Action Plan ($2,404,359)
13th Year Promise Scholarship ($1,381,885)
Innovation High School, Summer Learning, Summer Melt ($1,004,500)
Our Best ($189,000)
Parent-Child Home Program ($525,000)
Food Banks ($153,750)
Proposed investments ($4,120,639) awaiting review by CAB in Spring 2018:

Farm to Table
Fresh Bucks to Go
Food Banks
Out-of-School Time Nutrition Program
Early learning programs


In addition to these investments, revenue from the new sugary drinks tax will also support evaluation work ($500,000) to track the tax’s effectiveness and impacts, job retraining support ($500,000) for those employed within the local distribution network for the beverage industry and general administrative support ($1,082,000) in city government.

I wonder, how much of the tax money will be eaten up by the bureaucrats before the left-overs get spent on the end purpose. And I wonder, how much of the tax money will be diverted to some other self-serving political purpose.

good for them

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:

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Originally posted by mikeyspizza:
What a bunch of idiots. Seattle-ians are getting exactly the government they deserve.

And, they've already approved spending money they don't even have yet:

Programs that the City Council has approved funding ($5,658,494) for in 2018
already include:

Fresh Bucks, Food Action Plan ($2,404,359)
13th Year Promise Scholarship ($1,381,885)
Innovation High School, Summer Learning, Summer Melt ($1,004,500)
Our Best ($189,000)
Parent-Child Home Program ($525,000)
Food Banks ($153,750)
Proposed investments ($4,120,639) awaiting review by CAB in Spring 2018:

Farm to Table
Fresh Bucks to Go
Food Banks
Out-of-School Time Nutrition Program
Early learning programs


In addition to these investments, revenue from the new sugary drinks tax will also support evaluation work ($500,000) to track the tax’s effectiveness and impacts, job retraining support ($500,000) for those employed within the local distribution network for the beverage industry and general administrative support ($1,082,000) in city government.

I wonder, how much of the tax money will be eaten up by the bureaucrats before the left-overs get spent on the end purpose. And I wonder, how much of the tax money will be diverted to some other self-serving political purpose.

Remember, the sugar tax is intended to reduce consumption. This is at odds to the claimed "15 million" per year tax revenue.
Seattle has budgeted for money that supposedly is going to go away.

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Originally posted by Icabod:

Remember, the sugar tax is intended to reduce consumption. This is at odds to the claimed "15 million" per year tax revenue.
Seattle has budgeted for money that supposedly is going to go away.

Stop, just stop, you are being so negative. Remember, they can budget all they want because of 2 things:

1. they don't think it will work anyway, because nothing they have done in a dozen years has worked (non-exhaustive list of examples: the water front tunnel (big-time CF), the traffic revisions to enhance the tunnel, the Mercer mess (which may be worse than the traffic in Saigon), gun buy-backs, campaign for the homeless, $5,000,000 from a tax on guns which ended up costing more than they received, an unconstitutional and failed, income tax, forbidding guns in parks, every single traffic program they have promulgated, every.single.one. the bike program, the revised bike program, the revitalized revised bike program, the treatment plant that they couldn't get to stop spewing sewage into the Duwamish River for more than two months to name a few.

Look, these are fart-smellers I mean smart fellers, they know it isn't going to work but they have to do something or what good are they (rhetorical).

2. Once they budget the money they will have to get it from somewhere because...fcuk, I don't know, just because.

just another example of why I am convinced that the liberal mindset is really a mental defect in disguise

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Originally posted by Icabod:...Remember, the sugar tax is intended to reduce consumption. This is at odds to the claimed "15 million" per year tax revenue.
Seattle has budgeted for money that supposedly is going to go away.

Maybe similar dynamics, CA has fairly high gasoline tax, people have gone to more fuel efficient cars (incl hybrids and electric), CA isn't collecting what they projected, now they are considering a per mile driven gasoline tax.

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:

Maybe similar dynamics, CA has fairly high gasoline tax, people have gone to more fuel efficient cars (incl hybrids and electric), CA isn't collecting what they projected, now they are considering a per mile driven gasoline tax.

Washington is trying to go down the same road...

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Originally posted by 911Boss:

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:

Maybe similar dynamics, CA has fairly high gasoline tax, people have gone to more fuel efficient cars (incl hybrids and electric), CA isn't collecting what they projected, now they are considering a per mile driven gasoline tax.

Washington is trying to go down the same road...

So is Colorado.

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Originally posted by Sigmanic:

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Originally posted by 911Boss:

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:
Maybe similar dynamics, CA has fairly high gasoline tax, people have gone to more fuel efficient cars (incl hybrids and electric), CA isn't collecting what they projected, now they are considering a per mile driven gasoline tax.

Washington is trying to go down the same road...

So is Colorado.

Yeah, they're looking at that here too. Some kind of a "pilot" program is either underway now or about to start. They're looking for volunteers to have their mileage tracked to see whether or not it would be a moneymaker. Personally I wouldn't mind something like that because it would - in theory at least - make the EV owners pay their share of the road maintenance cost. But I would ONLY support it on the condition that all of the state gas taxes are eliminated with no way to legislatively re-institute them in the future. Then again, there's also the issue of Big Brother tracking what I'm doing, not sure if that's a really problem or tin-foil hat stuff though. I'm not really concerned with BB knowing how many miles I drive, but I am concerned about him knowing WHERE I'm going (e.g., does more than N trips to the gun club per year make me a possible domestic terrorist?). Matter of principle more than anything else.

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Originally posted by downtownv:
How long before they take their Teslas and leave?

Is that even possible without hiring a car moving service? Will the Tesla's go far enough to find a recharging station? Or will they all break down, run out of electicies before reaching the free America they seek?

If they hire a car-mover, will they hire one that uses fossil fuels? Can we start a moving service and just dump their beloved cars out in the wilds of Idaho or Kali?

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Originally posted by downtownv:
The amazing part is Amazon Costco Microsoft and Starbucks drives the entire economy there. How long before they take their Teslas and leave?

Won't happen. Big companies almost invariably are given huge breaks on taxes and sometimes utilities to set up shop in any given city. Then they spend years and $$$ buying all the local politicians. So once they get set up and operating, moving is a pretty expensive proposition.

I had a long layover in Seattle a few years ago.

After going out the first night and dropping over $100 on booze I decided that maybe the better decision for the next few days would be to just grab a bottle of rum and have it in my hotel room.

No problem, I find a Target or something downtown and grab a bottle of Captain Morgan. The price was 15.99 or 16.99 or somewhere around there. It was at the point where I figured a $20 bill would cover it.

I get to the checkout. It was over $25. I’m all “WTF?” The cashier looks at me and says “You are not from here, are you?”

“Nope, I’m from Texas”

“Well, they punish you here for booze.”

It was like a 40% tax BEFORE the sales tax. Beautiful place, but Fuck You Seattle.

For the record, on a long layover in Cologne, Germany now. Went to the supermarket. Bottle of Captain Morgan is €12.99. No tax added. Research complete. Germany is less socialist than Seattle.