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It’s much more common than you’d think. | |||
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| Go ahead punk, make my day |
DGrouse is selling it straight. How HR treats you has nothing to do with how your work conditions will be. HR's in general suck at most everything and often hires / fires can be an IF-THEN flowchart of things that are well outside yours and HR's control. HR is busy, as are companies. I work / own a small company and if I spent my time responding to resumes / questions / etc I would get nothing at all done. Granted, you should have gotten a call back saying "it's being considered", but often times they don't know or don't want to talk to you. And often if they are no longer interested, you will hear nothing. Just the rules of the game, too much liability in a conversation that buys them nothing. | |||
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I understand that it happens for "C-level" people. But in DGrouse's case, the company has shelled out $140K and hasn't made a penny off the person yet. I'm not being critical of DGrouse or anyone else. I'm just really curious as to how the business case for this works. For all I know DGrouse and/or his wife could have C-level jobs. | |||
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My wife reminded me that now hr is so successful and make work they have delegated hiring offers to in house recruiters. So the flow chart goes: Hiring manager uses fte to get stock package offer from hr. Hr gives recuiter package. Recruiter meets with hiring manager for job description classification. Compiles interviews sets all that up. Once they make a candidate an offer the take any counters to hr, hr goes to hiting manager. Then that process i listed above is entered. Just with a in house recruiter between hr, hiring manager,legal,and you. As for my wife. Well she is one smart cookie. She specialized in banking as an ausitor, professional practices, certified financial analyst, aml (anti money laundering) etc etc. <professional derby bad ass> | |||
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To me business is business and personal is personal. Don't take personal offense - bide your time and let them come to you. DSGrouse has done a good job of explaining the process at larger companies. If you want out of your present situation and the position and the managers you have spoken with seem like a good fit, just bide your time and let the process play out and make your decision when all the cards are on the table. I made a move last summer and just negotiated a dollar figure on the relo. They offered a number, I added 50% to it and they accepted. “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” - John Adams | |||
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In my wifes case it was for specialized knowlege. Wells, US, BoA,Chase, Wamu, Russel all had specific needs for professional practice. Ie the people who design the work flow for internal audit and interact with different regulators. While most banks have some form of of P.P. group, most are based off the processes my wife designed at Wamu. Now that 20ish years have gone by the designs and need for a ground up P.P. group has waned. Banks are seeing that same kind of need for a policy wonk in anti-money laundering section. So, that is where she is now. Typically any type of relo comes with a commitment. Usually a year. Sometimes you can negotiate a 2nd year for increased moving bennifits if the offer does not have what you need. At my wifes level, there might be 5 -7 people who are doing what she did for P.P. most use some variation of the p.p.g work flow she designed. None have the years of exp she did. Not many are as experience at policy wonking as she is. So, as she wrapped up one ppg group at one bank, we moved to another. PPG came about because of SoX, world comm, enron. With the focus turning to hackers, data loss, machine learning , human traficing, drugs, all those thing are tentively under the pervue of Anti Money laundering groups in most major corps. Hence the transition to there. | |||
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Damn double post. | |||
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Yes that! And if one of those people have a major issue pop up, then it takes even longer. I had a harassment claim not that long ago. I had to drop everything I was doing and make sure I managed it hard so we didn't get sued and so that the victim was treated properly and protected. Nothing else mattered for a few days when that happened. Also, our company does not relocate people. We have no experience with it, so if someone asked for that, it would take some research on our end to know what was proper. I can tell you that I get several applicants for a job and set up interviews with the resumes I think I are strongest. So let's say I've got 10 applications, I'll set up the top 3 for interviews. First guy is a dud, second guy is fairly solid and the third guy is ok, but not an all star. Depending on the position, I might make number 2 an offer. If number 2 comes back with a counter and I thought my offer was the proper one for the job, I might set up some more interviews to see if I can find someone better for the money he/she is asking for, or at least an equal candidate for the pay I offered. I wouldn't rule that possibility out either. If I find someone who I think will be an absolute rockstar for our company, I'll meet the counter in a second. If I think, "solid but not worth what he's asking for" then I'll keep looking but not want to tell him no 'cause I might come back to him. That could the case here, or it could be the harassment scenario, or just a shitty company. | |||
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| It's not you, it's me.  |
Exactly. I’ve been on enough interviews to know when to walk away. They don’t respect you or your time. | |||
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This position has been open 8 months. They are looking for a very unique background that, quite frankly, is as common as an honest politician. I just happen to have exactly what they are looking for. It’s possible but not probable that they have other qualified candidates on the hook. And, is partly the reason why I countered. Whether they want to admit it or not they know what they are looking for is rare, and thus valuable. They need to pay for it. ----------------------------------- | |||
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