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Originally posted by powermad:
And the UK just gave him $5B

Starmer and his cronies will be out soon.
He continues down the Leftist-authoritarian road, violent attacks by recent arrivals upon native Britons and reckless spending will accelerate their removal. Their only savior will be if UK Conservatives fail to learn from their recent defeat and put forth another round of 'same as the last guy' figures.

Meanwhile, Poland lays it out in simple terms for the rest of the naysayers to understand
https://x.com/radioeuropes/sta...211194362679418?s=42

Do you still call it a loan if it is never repaid?

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Originally posted by powermad:
And the UK just gave him $5B
The scam continues.

It's hard to nail down exact numbers, but it looks like we have given the Ukraine over $200 billion in the last 4 years.

Herr Starmer and Zelensky can strut around and scratch at the ground in their "moment of triumph" over President Trump, but in reality, that will tide Zelensky over for possibly a month at his present rate of spending.

Then what?

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Originally posted by jljones:
Do you still call it a loan if it is never repaid?

Ask Hunter Biden

https://www.theepochtimes.com/...XyIATCxHOrAxa8Io0%3D

UK, France, Ukraine Agree to Work on Cease-Fire Plan to Present to US

Starmer added that ‘Intense discussions’ to obtain a security guarantee from the United States are one of the three components of lasting peace.

British Prime Minister Keir Starmer said on March 2 that Britain, France, and Ukraine are working on a cease-fire plan to present to the United States as he prepares to host European leaders in discussions to end the Russia–Ukraine war.

Starmer’s Sunday summit of leaders stands in contrast to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s meeting in the White House on Friday, during which U.S. President Donald Trump scolded him for not being ready for peace and not being grateful for America’s support in his nation’s defense against Russia’s three-year-long invasion.

Starmer said he’s working on restoring discussions of peace and is using Friday’s breakdown as an opportunity to re-engage with Trump, Zelenskyy, and French President Emmanuel Macron rather than “ramp up the rhetoric.”

“We’ve now agreed that the United Kingdom, along with France and possibly one or two others, will work with Ukraine on a plan to stop the fighting, and then we’ll discuss that plan with the United States,” Starmer told the BBC, adding that he and Macron have both spoken to Trump since the latter’s meeting with Zelenskyy.

At Sunday’s summit, European leaders will look toward shoring up the continents’ defenses in defending Ukraine, including discussions to create a European military force to send to the war-torn country to cap a cease-fire. Starmer suggested the military force would include a “coalition of the willing.”

While he does not trust Russian President Vladimir Putin, Starmer said he trusts Trump.

“Do I believe Donald Trump when he says he wants lasting peace? The answer to that is yes,” he said.

Starmer added that “intense discussions” to obtain a security guarantee from the United States are one of the three components of lasting peace.

“If there is to be a deal, if there is to be a stopping of the fighting, then that agreement has to be defended, because the worst of all outcomes is that there is a temporary pause, and then Putin comes again,” Starmer said. “That has happened in the past. I think it is a real risk, and that is why we must ensure that if there’s a deal, it is a lasting deal, not a temporary pause.”

The summit, which will be held at Lancaster House—a 200-year-old mansion near Buckingham Palace—will also include leaders from France, Germany, Denmark, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Spain, Canada, Finland, Sweden, the Czech Republic, and Romania.

Other attendees include the Turkish foreign minister, NATO secretary-general, and the presidents of the European Commission and European Council.

Zelenskyy received support from European leaders after Friday’s contentious meeting at the White House in which a rare earths deal was abandoned and Trump told Zelenskyy to come back when he was ready for peace.

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Originally posted by 6guns:
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British Prime Minister Keir Starmer said on March 2 that Britain, France, and Ukraine are working on a cease-fire plan to present to the United States as he prepares to host European leaders in discussions to end the Russia–Ukraine war....

So Starmer wants to talk some siblings into joining him as he goes to ask Daddy, President Trump, for help in ending the Russia-Ukraine war.

Nice.

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Russia is quickly becoming our biggest ally and Ukraine and their enabling war-profiteers are now our enemy. There will still be those among us who simply think "Russia bad" but Putin has demonstrated a willingness to put differences aside and work together. What an insane time to be alive and definitely the last development I had on my 2025 bingo card

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Originally posted by jljones:
I want them to follow the money. My bet is they weren’t careful in covering their tracks with Grandpa at the helm.

Agreed on following the money. I doubt they were worried about covering their tracks since they were setting aside 10% for the big guy.

Many European countries are in a tizzy, now that they see that President Trump is halting the gravy train. They were content to sit back as long as they thought we'd continue to be Ukraine's bitch.

I think it's hilarious that they are worried about Putin invading Europe. Hell, he can barely make headway in Ukraine, and even if Russia had the muscle, I can't see them invading NATO countries.

Putin simply does not want any more NATO nations on his Western border. Six is enough for him, it appears.

Let European nations become involved in the quagmire of Ukraine and give it a year or two and see what tune they sing. If they want a perpetual war, they can have it.

https://x.com/gatewaypundit/st.../1896275300339548341

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Originally posted by TigerDore:

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Originally posted by 6guns:
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British Prime Minister Keir Starmer said on March 2 that Britain, France, and Ukraine are working on a cease-fire plan to present to the United States as he prepares to host European leaders in discussions to end the Russia–Ukraine war....

So Starmer wants to talk some siblings into joining him as he goes to ask Daddy, President Trump, for help in ending the Russia-Ukraine war.

Nice.

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I don’t understand… If the EU can put together a peace plan why do we have to sign off on anything? Let them dig their own fucking hole.

British PM Keir Starmer Says He Will Organize EU Ceasefire Security Force with France +2, and Count on U.S. Military Backstop From Trump

British Prime Minister Keir Starmer is holding a Ukraine summit in London today with EU leaders, following two phone calls with President Trump.

According to the outline Starmer proposed on BBC News, following the disastrous Zelenskyy meeting in the White House, the British PM called President Trump and also Emmanuel Macron. According to his statements, Starmer told Trump he would work with Macron +2 unidentified countries (a “coalition of the willing”), to organize an EU security force for a Ukraine ceasefire; then the group will require Trump to provide a U.S. troop “backstop” as an insurance policy.

Starmer completely ignores the NATO provocations against Russia that preceded the military operation by Vladimir Putin, instead blaming only the aggression of Putin for the expansion of NATO in Europe.

https://x.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/.../1895751157651251687



https://theconservativetreehou...m-trump/#more-269699

Nope. Handle it yourselves.

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Originally posted by smlsig:
I don’t understand… If the EU can put together a peace plan why do we have to sign off on anything? Let them dig their own fucking hole.

They obviously don't think they can pull it off without us.

The plus in this is that President Trump can, and will, control the conversation. He may force the EU to do their own dirty work.

On this point, I am reminded of Clint Eastwood's character in High Plains Drifter.


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1. Zelenskyy does not grasp—or deliberately ignores—the bitter truth: Those with whom he feels most affinity (Western globalists, the American Left, the Europeans) have little power in 2025 to help him. And those whom he obviously does not like or seeks to embarrass (as with his Scranton, Penn. campaign-like visit in September 2024) alone have the power to save him.

Zelneskyy's career, from after his schooling to his current presidency, was as an entertainer, a TV sitcom star. Like many entertainers, he doesn't know jackshit outside of his profession, he has demonstrated his lack of intelligence numerous times. He likely had no idea of just how different Trump is compared to Biden, and how the U.S. political landscape has changed in the last 12 months. He believed the bullshit from Democrats when it comes to Trump, and tried to manhandle him, completely miscalculating.

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He believed the bullshit from Democrats when it comes to Trump, and tried to manhandle him, completely miscalculating.

Still taking advice and direction from Obama advisors Victoria Nuland and Susan Rice from what I hear he talked to Susan Rice before the meeting at the White House.

^^^ I heard that too. Bad move!

Ahh, Susan Rice, continuing to mis-judge current events and provide bad insight.

https://x.com/AmbassadorRice/s...s-led-war-we-see-you




https://x.com/RichardGrenell/s...s-led-war-we-see-you

Perhaps when I started this thread two years ago, the majority of the American people were still on board with this obscene stalemate, but now, in 2025, I believe the majority of Americans can see this bullshit for what it is.

As soon as I saw the beginning of the contention in the Oval Office, I knew that all the leftists, the leftist politicians and their news media co-conspirators were going to have a field day with it, and they are going to yammer about that set-to 'til the cows come home. It's the new January 6th for them; endless fun for boys and girls of all ages.

Well, too Goddamned bad, and I don't think even these European heads of state and the EU are stupid enough to get things to a point where NATO is compelled to invoke Article 5, because then, the shit will really hit the fan.

We- the United States- are in the catbird's seat, and the European's- and Putin- know it. It would have made too much sense for Zelenskyy to sign the mineral deal, because then, the grift would really be over. He wants something he simply will not have, and that thing is victory.

I didn't know Z was that stupid. Good lord.

Your original call on Feb 10 2023 was quite insightful, I've been playing catch-up ever since. Watching VDH has been helpful in understanding what the hell has been going on this whole time.

It seems if Z is able to get this done under Trump and his team, the next best thing would be for an adult to take over Z's position. Maybe that could be part of the deal, you gotta go little man.

If you really want to know who Zelensky allies with in the United States just watch him. During the Presidential campaign he aligned and actively campaigned for the Democrats. Now this:

Disaster in the Oval Office: Dems lead Zelensky, Ukraine off a cliff with pressure to reject mineral deal\

https://nypost.com/2025/03/01/...reject-mineral-deal/

A common criticism of Volodymyr Zelensky’s disastrous Friday performance in the Oval Office is that he failed to read the room.

Actually, the Ukrainian president did read a room — but it was the wrong room.

Before meeting Trump, Zelensky met with anti-Trump Democrats who advised him to reject the terms of the mineral deal the president was offering, according to Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.).

“Just finished a meeting with President Zelensky here in Washington. He confirmed that the Ukrainian people will not support a fake peace agreement where Putin gets everything he wants and there are no security arrangements for Ukraine,” Murphy’s office posted on X at 11:15 a.m. Friday.

He attached a picture of Zelensky at a conference table, with Murphy seated on the opposite side.

Forty minutes later, Zelensky arrived at the White House, where Trump met his car, smiled, shook his hand and walked him into the Oval Office.

Arrogant ingrate
The meeting, as the world now knows, quickly went off the rails and ended with Trump angrily ejecting the arrogant ingrate from the White House.

The earlier meeting with Dems undercuts wild claims that Trump and Vice President J.D. Vance staged an ambush. In fact, it was Zelensky who came with an ulterior motive.

The purpose of the meeting was to sign the mineral agreement he and Trump representatives had negotiated. He had twice refused to sign it after promising to, and thanks to Murphy, we now know he had no intention of signing it Friday.

By listening to the nakedly partisan advice of Dems instead of dealing forthrightly with the current president, Zelensky betrayed his countrymen and, for now at least, leaves them without the military and diplomatic protection that only America can provide.

Good luck counting on Britain, France and the rest of Europe to save Ukraine. Maybe the Germans will send strudel.

In a perverse way, Murphy and other Dems got the outcome they wanted. The fireworks at the White House gave them an excuse to replay their Russia Russia Russia hoax.

Once again, they and their media handmaidens are dishonestly insisting that Trump is in Vladimir Putin’s camp.

Like the original Russia hoax that consumed much of Trump’s first term, Russia 2.0 is born of political desperation. After months of not knowing how to respond to Trump’s fast, populist start to his second term, Dems up and down the food chain decided that the president’s refusal to write a blank check to Zelensky and pledge a military guarantee amounts to a gift to Putin.

Desperate for relevance
The logic is twisted beyond description, but any port in a storm will do. And with Trump off to the fastest start of any president in modern history, Dems are desperate to be relevant.

It’s a mark of their bad judgment that Zelensky is their new hero. He and they have zero chance of persuading tapped-out Americans that an open-ended commitment of their tax dollars and possibly sending troops to Ukraine is sensible.

Certainly Trump supporters didn’t vote for that, and the president himself campaigned on bringing the war to a fast end, not sending our army to fight Russians.

He made it repeatedly clear for three years that he viewed Joe Biden’s strategy of providing just enough support for Ukraine to keep the war going without any plan for victory as a fool’s errand. He has also been consistent about his desire to stop the enormous loss of life on both sides and the destruction of Ukrainian cities and towns.

Despite the fact that the president made foolish comments two weeks ago suggesting Ukraine started the war, I am convinced Trump truly wants peace. He is not afraid to use the military, but he is not a warmonger.

To that end, he and his White House came up with the minerals plan that he called a first step to a cease-fire.

The plan went through several drafts and the latest would have America and Ukraine form a partnership to mine the eastern European nation’s plentiful rare earth deposits, with much of the proceeds going to help rebuild Ukraine.

A gift to Putin
Zelensky, who privately agreed to the terms, has every right to demand a security agreement — up to a point. But he didn’t get one and his decision to respond by insulting the president and vice president, interrupting them and waving off their responses, was madness.

As Trump noted, the heated jabs made for great television, but it was a disaster for Ukraine and a gift to Putin.

Zelensky had an opportunity to apologize to Trump in a later interview with Brett Baier on Fox, but repeatedly refused to do so, saying “I’m not sure we did something bad.”

Add ignorance to his list of flaws.

Unfortunately for him, there is an audience egging him on. Beyond Washington Dems, the European Union’s top diplomat, Kaja Kallas, wrote on social media that “the free world needs a new leader. It’s up to us, Europeans, to take this challenge. We stand by Ukraine.”

Sure, Europe stands by Ukraine — and will continue to stand by as it gets carved up by Putin’s war machine.

‘Ukraine is our ally’
Murphy and other Dems are no better, celebrating Zelensky’s stupendous failure as if it were a victory. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer wrote that “Trump and Vance are doing Putin’s dirty work” and the always repellent Sen. Adam Schiff called Trump a “coward.”

New York’s daffy governor, Kathy Hochul, who seems to pick a daily fight with Trump, added her two cents, saying “Ukraine is our ally. Putin is not. It’s not complicated . . . This president may not stand with democracy, but we will.”

Oh, please. Hochul can’t even keep the peace on New York’s crime-ridden streets.

Meanwhile, Zelensky’s rejection of the mineral deal means there will be no American interests and businesses in Ukraine, which, as Trump repeatedly said, would help deter Russian attacks.

Moreover, Trump said a final settlement would require Putin to return some of the lands he has taken, and that France, Great Britain and others likely would station peace-keeping troops in Ukraine.

All that should have given Zelensky more than enough confidence to go forward, or at least to raise any concerns in private. Instead, he used a friendly meeting in front of the press to complain that no agreement was sufficient without an American security guarantee, despite being told repeatedly none would be included in the minerals deal.

He’s right that Putin can’t be trusted but he’s a fool for rejecting Trump’s plan and counting on Europe and feckless Dems to help him get a better deal from Trump.

As the president reminded him three times, “you don’t have the cards” to make the demands he was making, but Zelensky ignored the advice and the facts.

What a tragic mistake.