I was reading earlier that replacing Zelensky will solve nothing because Ukrainian constitution or law mandates that whoever is in office is required to maintain or restore the countries border.

So, for there to be a resolution or peace agreement the people/government are going to have to vote for a constitutional amendment.

And according to polls, he is popular and the people will reelect him even if there is an election.

Article 2 Ukrainian constitution.

Article 2 The sovereignty of Ukraine extends throughout its entire territory. Ukraine is a unitary state. The territory of Ukraine within its present border is indivisible and inviolable.

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Originally posted by ScreamingCockatoo:
Replace Ukraine with Israel or *gasp*, the USA.

No. Ukraine is Ukraine. USA is USA. Israel is Israel, and I don't want to send them money, either, but this thread isn't about Israel. That's one country I care about, and two that I don't.

Let Ukraine turn Moscow into a burned out hulk.
Let Ukraine burn every Russian diesel refinery.
Trump and his oil buddies can suck it up.

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Originally posted by ScreamingCockatoo:

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Originally posted by Gustofer:

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Originally posted by fischtown7:
What I do not understand is last week Russia was importing fuel because of shortages of diesel and gasoline.

Yes, and we're exporting diesel but yet Trump negotiates a deal with Russia to import theirdiesel? Bullshit. I don't care for someone pissing down my leg and telling me it's raining. I don't care if it's Trump or anyone. We're getting smoke blown up our asses.

Stop it. We can't keep agreeing like this.
Yet everyone is fine with Netanyahu being a corrupt slime bag. A communist power hungry slime bag. Even my very conservative Israeli engineers don't like him.

Indeed. This IS about oil. and oil company profits. I am capitalistic as anyone but it's NOT up to us to ensure someone else's pockets are lined with free oil cash.

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But you are ok with the US giving hundreds of billions of tax payer dollars to the corrupt little nazi so him and all his cronies can go on unbelievable years long spending spree's. Got it.

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:


But you are ok with the US giving hundreds of billions of tax payer dollars to the corrupt little nazi so him and all his cronies can go on unbelievable years long spending spree's. Got it.

Yet Israel. And NAZI? Hes a Jew.

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
Fuck Putin. Fuck Zelensky.

The Russian and Ukrainian people, I have plenty of empathy for. But I'm tired of us supporting this war and it fucking needs to end. If that means Ukraine loses territory, oh-fucking-well.

Russia's been "on the ropes" since... [checks watch] a month after they invaded, and they were going to invade Poland/Romania/Hungary since about a month after that, and we need to put boots on the ground and Moscow needs to burn and blah blah blah. Utter nonsense from Americans waving the Ukrainian flag. I guess if you repeat it for five years it looks silly but if you repeat it for ten years, maybe some of it will come true?

My position is simple, and requires no boisterous and wild claims: Not our problem, and it needs to end without any more support from us involving money, material, or intel.

Yep. Not our problem.

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Originally posted by ScreamingCockatoo:

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:


But you are ok with the US giving hundreds of billions of tax payer dollars to the corrupt little nazi so him and all his cronies can go on unbelievable years long spending spree's. Got it.

Yet Israel. And NAZI? Hes a Jew.

right So keep throwing billions of US taxprayer dollars to keep the grift going, uh huh.
Let Urope sort it out.

The real grift is diesel profiteering off Russian fuel.
So show me the NAZIs.
That’s what Russia used as an excuse to invade.
So show me.

You keep singing it sct. Now its all about diesel, right, got it.

Where them NAZIs?

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:
You keep singing it sct. Now its all about diesel, right, got it.

You REALLY need to back this NAZI accusation up.

WHERE is he a NAZI? Otherwise you are just another liar.

Let's ease up a bit, please, guys.

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:
You keep singing it sct. Now its all about diesel, right, got it.

You REALLY need to back this NAZI accusation up.

WHERE is he a NAZI? Otherwise you are just another liar.

https://share.google/gpFa4zztq74UZ8nLn

If it's from TASS, it must be true. Right comrade?

You REALLY need to back this NAZI accusation up.

WHERE is he a NAZI? Otherwise you are just another liar.

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I've tried to stay out of this. But with this I just can't resist. Are you fucking kidding me? The link you provided is from TASS, the RUSSIAN news agency. And you say that is proof the Ukranians are a bunch of Nazis. TASS???

Regardless of what you think of our involvement with the attack on Iran, I would like to remind you that Putin is actively assisting the Iranians with killing Americans. That's a fact. So fuck Putin. I hope the Ukranians keep stacking up dead Russians a mile high. I have nothing against individual Russians who are forced into the Russian army, however they do have a choice. Surrender to the Ukranians to avoid getting slaughtered.

State media is often more factually accurate than our own biased media. TASS just shapes their coverage to support the politics of the state. Our progressive media isn't above just plain lying to advance progressive causes and candidates. TASS has a bias rating of 16%, indicating a moderate conservative stance. The New York Times has a bias rating of -28%, indicating a somewhat left leaning bias. The US has the worst media in the world. We shouldn't be dismissing news from any source as our own media is tragically bad.

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Originally posted by bdylan:
State media is often more factually accurate than our own biased media. TASS just shapes their coverage to support the politics of the state.

It is amazing that I have lived long enough to see tne Communist/Socialist elements not only entrenched in the Democratic party, but co-opting conservatives as well.
The notion that Ukraine is run by Nazis is absurd over-the-top Putin propoganda, used to justify an invasion of a neighboring sovereign nation. No discerning person would give that any shrift at all.
And even the Russian people have sense enough not to believe Tass.
The Russians would like nothing better than to end the U.S. The Ukrainians are fighting the Russians - and doing a good job of it. More power to them. Even if the Russians weren't our sworn enemies, I would cheer for the Ukrainians, simply because they were invaded by an expansionist, evil country. I will cheer a hell of a lot harder, because Russia will not stop until somebody successfully stands up to them.
But guess what? We don't have to be the ones to stop them. We have the Ukrainians to do it for us. All we have to do is not fucking destroy the Ukrainians, ourselves!
Nope. Can't have that. Zelenski didn't support Trump as an aparatchik in the American Presidential election, so we can't have that.
And Putin is affecting diesel prices, which is affecting the mid-terms, so we have to lash out at Ukraine in a fantastically preposterous hope that Ukraine will surrender and the Russians will drop the price of deisel that we are buying from them for God knows what reason - all in time to salvage the mid-terms.
Except that none of that is going to happen. And the mid-terms were lost when the Iranian government didn't topple. And by the way, is there anybody anywhere who can seriously claim that the price of fuel in America is adversely affected more by Putin's hissy fit over Ukrainian strikes as opposed to - Oh I don't know - that little Straits of Hormuz kerfluffle?

We are not enemies with Russia and the cold war ended decades ago. The midterms haven't been lost yet, and no one expects gas prices to be lowered before voting concludes. I don't know a single individual hoping for a Ukraine surrender, but the entire world would welcome some kind of deal ending that conflict. The idea that Russia is on some global mission of dominance is much more preposterous than the notion of Nazi leaders in Ukraine. It's a territorial dispute between neighbors that needs to be marketed as a battle between good and evil in order to convincingly fleece the US taxpayer.

Zelenskyy is a NATO puppet from the start.

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Originally posted by bdylan:
We are not enemies with Russia and the cold war ended decades ago.

Havana Syndrome.