Can you imagine if someone told us WE needed to surrender to say Mexico?
No, Ukraine needs to make Moscow burn.

Russia gonna fuck up and get the Poles involved.
They keep prodding them, Russia doesn't have the troops to stop Poland from steamrolling them.

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Originally posted by Carpentermaass84:
Russia's terrorist attacks on Ukrainian civilians are hurting all of us and must stop.

Fixed it for you.
Add the hunting of civilians with drones too.
Fuck Russia.

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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Zelensky can't be allowed to attack our trading partner and continue to cause us pain at the pump.

The price of diesel is now over $6/gallon. Every delivery of almost everything in the economy depends on trucks, which run on diesel. The inflationary impact hasn't been immediate, but it will not only cause us pain at the pump but on every item we buy.

We produce/refine far more diesel right here in the good ol' U.S. of A. than we use. What happens between Ukraine and Russia should have zero bearing on the price of diesel here. What does have bearing on it are the greedy oil companies taking advantage of world events to fleece the American public. But hey, they're big donors to the Republican party, so we can't piss them off.

As someone who grew up during the Cold War, and is familiar with the history of Russia, China and Communism in general, bearing in mind the horrific atrocities they have inflicted on millions of people, the blood and treasure spent by the U.S. and so many others to contain them, I cannot express the disgust I feel at the attitude expressed by so many, including our President, that it is okay for Russia to invade and conquer a neighboring country. And, oh the evil audacity of that inconvenient should-be-victim, to actually defend itself against the aggressor!

In retrospect, we should have just made an alliance with Japan, Germany and Italy in late 1940.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:

We produce/refine far more diesel right here in the good ol' U.S. of A. than we use. What happens between Ukraine and Russia should have zero bearing on the price of diesel here. What does have bearing on it are the greedy oil companies taking advantage of world events to fleece the American public. But hey, they're big donors to the Republican party, so we can't piss them off.

Woah fuck, we agree on something.

What I do not understand is last week Russia was importing fuel because of shortages of diesel and gasoline. What the heck are they going to export? There is something else going on. There are rumors that things may not be so good in the house of Saud, units defecting and such.

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Originally posted by fischtown7:
What I do not understand is last week Russia was importing fuel because of shortages of diesel and gasoline.

Yes, and we're exporting diesel but yet Trump negotiates a deal with Russia to import theirdiesel? Bullshit. I don't care for someone pissing down my leg and telling me it's raining. I don't care if it's Trump or anyone. We're getting smoke blown up our asses.

India and South Korea both sent fuel(gas/diesel) to Russia last month. And Russia issued a ban on diesel exports due to shortages. Trump told Zelensky not to but I few hours afterwards he hit their refineries again. He was livid when he walked out to the helicopter and answered some questions from the reporters. Something is up just not sure what it is yet.

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Originally posted by ScreamingCockatoo:

Woah fuck, we agree on something.

Two things. Fuck Russia.

Some don't like Russia. Some don't like the little teddy bear clutching grifter more.

Trump Says "Time For Ukraine To Get A New Leader" After Zelensky Ignored Six Pleas To Stop Refinery Strikes

Update (1200ET): As he was boarding Air Force One on the way to Tennessee this morning, President Trump made his feelings clear over how he feels about Ukrainian President Zelensky.

President Trump stated that "it’s time for Ukraine to get a new president", criticizing Zelensky for bombing Russian oil refineries and accusing him of failing to end the war.

“I suggest they get a new leader who can make a deal."

One day after announcing plans to buy more than a million tonnes of diesel from Russia, Trump said the Ukrainian strikes were driving up global fuel prices and creating “problems for the world”.

“He wants to make problems for our farmers, our ranchers with diesel fuel because Russia supplies a large portion of the diesel fuel throughout the world. And we told them ‘Do whatever you want, but don’t hit the diesel fuel, because this is a big problem, a big shortage’.”

“And what does he do? He goes and hits the diesel fuel.”

Asked about the strikes, he said of Zelensky:

“He’d better damn well stop.”

Why Russia Can't Spare It (And Why Trump Wants It Anyway)

The irony is that Russia isn't exporting diesel because it can't. As regular readers know, Moscow banned diesel exports back on July 8 to avoid domestic shortages after a wave of Ukrainian drone strikes on its refineries, and extended the ban through Oct. 31 last week. The IEA estimates Russian diesel output is down about 30%. In other words, Putin has just promised to export fuel his own motorists are queuing for, under a ban his own government imposed. That's either a remarkable act of generosity or a remarkably cheap promise (we know which way we lean).

The reason for the urgency is simple: diesel is still near record highs with less than four weeks until Election Day. AAA's national average was $6.23/gallon on Friday, down only modestly from the record $6.52 on Sept. 22. Goldman's commodity desk wrote last weekend in its Weekly Commodity Thoughts (available to pro subs) that the global distillate market "has been the most distressed area of the entire energy complex with gasoil cracks (gasoil vs. crude) trading to over $100/bbl in late September." That only eased after "recent US political pressure and threats to implement a diesel export ban" pushed the G7 into a 100mb emergency release. We covered that at the time under the title "Trump's Diesel Threat Worked." Goldman's desk was not impressed with the fix:

"However, while prices have moved lower the release does little to solve the structural issue has been caused by continued curtailment of Middle East exports and widespread damage to Russian refinery infrastructure."

It's The Midterms, Stupid

Why burn this much goodwill with Kyiv over nine days of diesel? Because fuel prices are what's moving the ballot. Goldman's political economists Alec Phillips and Abhay Duggirala wrote in their latest US Election Monitor (available here for pro subs) that "Gasoline prices and the Democratic generic ballot have moved together this year - the Democratic lead widened gradually after the gasoline price spike at the onset of the Iran war." Democrats now lead the generic ballot by an average of 8.9pp, and "Inflation and the economy rank highest for voters, and Trump's net approval on both is deeply negative."

Prediction markets have already reached their verdict: using Polymarket data, Goldman notes markets are "now pricing a roughly 65% chance of a Democratic sweep and less than a 10% chance that Republicans retain their House majority."

https://www.zerohedge.com/ener...top-refinery-strikes

Zelly, do as I say or else!!!!
Fuck oil companies. Fuck Russia.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:

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Originally posted by fischtown7:
What I do not understand is last week Russia was importing fuel because of shortages of diesel and gasoline.

Yes, and we're exporting diesel but yet Trump negotiates a deal with Russia to import theirdiesel? Bullshit. I don't care for someone pissing down my leg and telling me it's raining. I don't care if it's Trump or anyone. We're getting smoke blown up our asses.

Stop it. We can't keep agreeing like this.
Yet everyone is fine with Netanyahu being a corrupt slime bag. A communist power hungry slime bag. Even my very conservative Israeli engineers don't like him.

Indeed. This IS about oil. and oil company profits. I am capitalistic as anyone but it's NOT up to us to ensure someone else's pockets are lined with free oil cash.

The comedian is convinced his never-ending border dispute with his neighbor is a battle between good and evil. He's probably irritated that the world values diesel more than his territorial claims. He's likely actively working to push up fuel prices to assist the democrats who promise him unlimited support and compensation. This quagmire will go on forever or until Europe's own economic interests override their fear of Russia.

^^^ Yes.

The comedian will not accept that the borders aren't going back to what they were. The comedian will have to be replaced, one way or another... but it seems he won't stand for re-election.

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Originally posted by ScreamingCockatoo:
Zelly, do as I say or else!!!!
Fuck oil companies. Fuck Russia.

Fuck Putin. Fuck Zelensky.

The Russian and Ukrainian people, I have plenty of empathy for. But I'm tired of us supporting this war and it fucking needs to end. If that means Ukraine loses territory, oh-fucking-well.

Russia's been "on the ropes" since... [checks watch] a month after they invaded, and they were going to invade Poland/Romania/Hungary since about a month after that, and we need to put boots on the ground and Moscow needs to burn and blah blah blah. Utter nonsense from Americans waving the Ukrainian flag. I guess if you repeat it for five years it looks silly but if you repeat it for ten years, maybe some of it will come true?

My position is simple, and requires no boisterous and wild claims: Not our problem, and it needs to end without any more support from us involving money, material, or intel.

Russia has treated us with more respect than Ukraine under Trump's administration. Ukraine is the creation of the Democrats (the 2014 Ohama coup) and they are intentionally raising diesel prices to hurt Trump in the midterms. Also, I don't buy the fake news that Russia shared weapons and intelligence with the Iranians; why would Trump still have a relationship with Putin if that was the case?

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Originally posted by Carpentermaass84:
Russia has treated us with more respect than Ukraine under Trump's administration. Ukraine is the creation of the Democrats (the 2014 Ohama coup) and they are intentionally raising diesel prices to hurt Trump in the midterms. Also, I don't buy the fake news that Russia shared weapons and intelligence with the Iranians; why would Trump still have a relationship with Putin if that was the case?

I had read somewhere that the shared info in Iran was from the Chinese

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
If that means Ukraine loses territory, oh-fucking-well.

Replace Ukraine with Israel or *gasp*, the USA.

But Israel is the ONLY "democratic"(they're actually very communist) state in the ME.

We send how much to Israel and Jordan every year?
Afghanistan was 154 billion only to hand it back to the Taliban.

Let them burn Moscow and end the war. Muscovites haven't been really affected yet.

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Originally posted by Carpentermaass84:
Russia has treated us with more respect than Ukraine under Trump's administration.

Did you forget the humiliation of Ukraine in the White House?

I expect no friendly return from Ukraine in the future.

Let Ukraine burn Moscow for all that I care after Moscow shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17.

Ukraine is curbstomping Russia with RC toys.