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This is from RT, a Russian source. Of course they are going to say that. Does a man who wants peace steal children from their parents, bomb apartment buildings and other non military targets, and commit countless war crimes. So unconcerned is he about peace, he sends Russians and others to the front with no helmets, limited ammunition and tells his officers to shoot anyone who retreats from the battlefield. Putin is a thug low life. And if he likes Trumps peace plan so much, why didn't he agree to it? | |||
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Honky Lips |
To quote Gad Saad, "are you retarded?" _____________________________________________ Proverbs 3:31 "Envy thou not the oppressor, and choose none of his ways." | |||
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I do appreciate a thoughtful response to my post, even one that you don't agree with it. Thank you. Have a nice day. | |||
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| Honky Lips |
As would have I, instead you went on some sort of tirade. Would you care to try again? listen to him, observe his body language, and give his complaints about the eurotrash a fair shake. Then make an assessment of your own. I'm comfortable saying under no uncertain circumstances, as someone who's watched Putin for decades at this point. It's not Trump or the Russians who are holding up this peace process. It's clearly visible in Putin's frustrated demeaner and attitude at this interview. _____________________________________________ Proverbs 3:31 "Envy thou not the oppressor, and choose none of his ways." | |||
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"We Must Protect Volodymyr": Leaked Call Shows European Leaders Conspiring Against Trump Peace Plan In a development that is not entirely surprising, European leaders are claiming that Washington is looking to "betray" Ukraine and President Zelensky during potential formal peace negotiations with Russia. "There is a possibility that the United States will abandon Ukraine on territorial questions without providing clarity on security guarantees," French President Emmanuel Macron reportedly said according to a "leaked" phone call record with other European leaders. Likely this was an intentional leak and bit of strong signaling to the Trump administration, as Europe has not been on board with the US President's proposed peace plan from the start. "There is a possibility that the US will betray Ukraine on the issue of territory without clarity on security guarantees," Macron continued. He laid his view that there was "a great danger" for Zelensky. However, Macron's office has subsequently sought to clarify that "The president did not use those words." Via Reuters The leaked transcript of the call between European leaders strategizing about how to protect the Zelensky government and Kiev's interests was published Thursday by the German magazine Der Spiegel. Also reportedly on the line engaged in the conversation were German Chancellor Friedrich Merz, NATO Secretary-General Mark Rutte, Finnish President Alexander Stubb, and of course Zelensky as well. Merz had in the dialogue agreed that Zelensky should be "extremely careful in the coming days" and warned the Ukrainian leader that "they are playing games with you and with us." Finland's President Stubb followed with, "We must not leave Ukraine and Volodymyr alone with these people" - after NATO Secretary General Rutte chimed in: "I agree with Alexander. We must protect Volodymyr." The underlying assumption seems to be that Zelensky is in a weak position and is being bullied by the more powerful US officials who have leverage. The context to this part of the conversation is particularly interesting, given it seems to focus on Trump envoys Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner, who were just in Moscow meeting with Putin, and are spearheading efforts to get the Trump 28-point peace plan (or 19-points based on reports of a revised version) past the goal line. Politico presents the section of the transcript as follows: Finland’s Stubb seemed to agree with Merz, according to the transcript. "We cannot leave Ukraine and Volodymyr alone with these guys," he said, apparently referring to Witkoff and Kushner, which attracted agreement from Rutte. "I agree with Alexander — we must protect Volodymyr [Zelenskyy]," the NATO chief said. NATO declined to comment when reached by POLITICO. Der Spiegel admits in its report that "These and other statements reproduced in the notes of the conversation illustrate the Europeans' deep distrust of the two Trump confidants." Michael Weiss, who was one of the report's co-authors, framed all of this as focused on countering "American dirty tricks to the end war." One aspect to the conversation was the leaders found agreement on the issue of frozen Russian assets kept in EU banks, which they consider a purely European prerogative, amid recent reports the US is ready to return these to Moscow as part of a finalized Ukraine peace deal. Washington efforts to quickly achieve peace by seriously engaging both sides are likened to "dirty tricks"?... https://www.zerohedge.com/geop...piring-against-trump "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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European civilization is in a rapidly intensifying decline, the causes of which are predominately self inflicted. The Euro politicos clamoring for continuing war in Ukraine and collaborating against PDJT’s peace initiatives are equally soulless and malevolent. I sense that the collective, indigenous Euro citizenry that has been driven to anti-government violence is nearing a profoundly negative inflection point. I doubt things will end well for “the continent.” "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Attached is a list of Russian War crimes in Ukraine compiled by the US Government. It's very lengthy. Virtually no one in Ukraine thinks that Russia has any intention of stopping until the all of Ukraine is conquered. If there is some sort of agreement that leads to a cease fire with no solid security guarantees, Russia will resume the war after they rebuild their military. https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R47762 | |||
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These accusations were made during the Biden administration which means they are all fake news. Trump wouldn't knowingly associate with a war criminal and the fact that he deeply respects Putin and is advocating in favor of Russia in the negotiations is all I need to know about Putin as a human. Western Europe has revealed itself as our true enemy. The days of aligning ourselves with pro-migrant, LGBTQ, and self-loathing liberal shit holes has long since passed.This message has been edited. Last edited by: Carpentermaass84, | |||
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Put the UK as the lead dog in this mix. _________________________ | |||
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First Lady Melania Trump has led the charge in the administration demanding that Russia return the thousands of abducted Ukrainian children to their relatives. She gave a letter to Putin about this the last time she was in his company.The United States under President Trump's leadership signed a letter just yesterday (along with 90 other countries) demanding that Russia return the stolen children to their families. If abducting children is not a war crime, I don't know is. The abduction of Ukrainian children by Russia is an undisputed fact as acknowledged by President Trump just a day ago. https://www.reuters.com/world/...children-2025-12-03/ | |||
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| Honky Lips |
How does this move the discussion to, what do we need to do to stop the killing? You're proving yourself to be an Azov birgade stooge. _____________________________________________ Proverbs 3:31 "Envy thou not the oppressor, and choose none of his ways." | |||
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Get Off My Lawn |
Zelenskyy is a Gold Digging Bleeding Anus Whore. Killing males in Ukraine. One of the worst humans in recent history. "I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965 | |||
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If the only issue is to stop the killing, then you are absolutely right. Ukraine could agree to all of the Russians demands, and the war and the killing is over (for now). There are things worth dying for such as the right of a country to determine it's own destiny. The right of a people to defend their children from abduction by foreign armies. The right of a country to assert that they have a right to exist. Those are just a few. The fact that the Russians would do such a dishonorable thing as to abduct Ukrainian children is relevant to a whole host of issues. Will the Russians honor the terms of any agreement? And for how long? The Russians could build some trust with Europe and the Ukrainians by unconditionally returning all of the abducted children. It's a guarantee that they won't. | |||
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fed, most everyone would agree Russia has been the aggressor. No question. As foreign as it is to most. Some in Russia see it as part of the Russian empire still. In war there are atrocities on both sides. As far as dying for your country. Ukraine has lost much of its young men population and even their middle age male population. Much of those left have left the country or are trying to leave. There is no going back. Those in charge in Europe beating the war drum are mostly like those in charge in Ukraine and have been interested in bilking the US out of billions of $ to enrich themselves more than anything. Many in our politics have been enriching themselves in the honey hole which has been Ukraine for a few decades. The president is trying to do what can be done to end this deal. If it does not happen then Ukraine will fall and all will be lost and europe which has pretty much already fucked itself will become a hell hole that it is pretty much destined to be and the US can wash it hands of the whole fucking deal. "Practice like you want to play in the game" | |||
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What is going on with this Zelenskyy clown? Enough is enough here 
'Disappointed' Trump Raps Zelensky Who 'Hasn't Yet Read' Peace Proposal Ultimately I think this ends with the guy hanging upside down from a lamppost Mussolini-style Link | |||
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I think of you polled Ukrainians they would nearly all be in favor of that lamppost idea. Nearly 99% of Ukrainians voted for Russian annexation when Russia liberated a number of Ukrainian regions back in 2022. At any moment Russia could take the gloves off but for now they seem happy bleeding Ukrainian manpower and NATO resources. | |||
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I think you’re 100% correct. Russia isn’t going anywhere and the Ukrainians have to know that. They also have to know that Zelenksy is what’s keeping this thing going. They’re not going to recover the territory lost. They’re not going to stop the Russians from taking more. This will end when one man finally agrees it ends, and if he won’t make that call, then eventually I think we might see others make that call for him. ______________________________________________ "If the truth shall kill them, let them die.” Endeavoring to master the subtle art of the grapefruit spoon. | |||
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And... the sooner the better. Because nothing screams corruption like gold toilets. Zelensky's chief of staff, Andriy Yermak, resigned late last month amid the Energoatom corruption scandal and just hours after police raided his home. Ukrainska Pravda reported that he had left for Israel, of which he is a citizen, just hours before the raid. Yermak is widely considered the second-most-powerful official in the country, with influence over domestic politics, military issues, and foreign policy, Axios noted. Businessman Timur Mindich, who co-founded the entertainment company Kvartal 95 with Zelensky, allegedly led the embezzlement scheme. Mindich also escaped to Israel, where he enjoys citizenship, hours before a separate raid on his luxury apartment by police from the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU). "Timur had an apartment with golden toilets that was in the same building as Zelensky's," a former Ukrainian government official told Fox News. https://www.zerohedge.com/geop...fforts-nyt-concludes "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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| Honky Lips |
At some point, I'll be wrong, I just know it. Here's a prediction, if this keeps dragging on Russian SVR (their CIA) is going to kill Zelenskyy once he quits handing over NATO equipment for the Russians to reverse engineer. But if the tinpot from Kiev, keeps wasting the west's money and equipment the Russians will keep the war trickling along. _____________________________________________ Proverbs 3:31 "Envy thou not the oppressor, and choose none of his ways." | |||
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| Get Off My Lawn |
This asshole is in my dead pool, he really is a disgrace to human kind. "I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965 | |||
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