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https://abcnews.go.com/Health/...un-violence-55843191

Frustrated AMA adopts sweeping policies to cut gun violence

By LINDSEY TANNER, AP MEDICAL WRITER CHICAGO
Jun 12, 2018, 3:36 PM ET

With frustration mounting over lawmakers' inaction on gun control, the American Medical Association on Tuesday pressed for a ban on assault weapons and came out against arming teachers as a way to fight what it calls a public health crisis.

At its annual policymaking meeting, the nation's largest physicians group bowed to unprecedented demands from doctor-members to take a stronger stand on gun violence — a problem the organizations says is as menacing as a lethal infectious disease.

The action comes against a backdrop of recurrent school shootings, everyday street violence in the nation's inner cities, and rising U.S. suicide rates.

"We as physicians are the witnesses to the human toll of this disease," Dr. Megan Ranney, an emergency-medicine specialist at Brown University, said at the meeting.

AMA delegates voted to adopt several of nearly a dozen gun-related proposals presented by doctor groups that are part of the AMA's membership. They agreed to:

— Support any bans on the purchase or possession of guns and ammunition by people under 21.

— Back laws that would require licensing and safety courses for gun owners and registration of all firearms.

— Press for legislation that would allow relatives of suicidal people or those who have threatened imminent violence to seek court-ordered removal of guns from the home.

— Encourage better training for physicians in how to recognize patients at risk for suicide.

— Push to eliminate loopholes in laws preventing the purchase or possession of guns by people found guilty of domestic violence, including expanding such measures to cover convicted stalkers.

Many AMA members are gun owners or supporters, including a doctor from Montana who told delegates of learning to shoot at a firing range in the basement of her middle school as part of gym class. But support for banning assault weapons was overwhelming, with the measure adopted in a 446-99 vote.

"There's a place to start and this should be it," Dr. Jim Hinsdale, a San Jose, California, trauma surgeon, said before the vote.

Gun violence is not a new issue for the AMA; it has supported past efforts to ban assault weapons; declared gun violence a public health crisis; backed background checks, waiting periods and better funding for mental health services; and pressed for more research on gun violence prevention.

But Dr. David Barbe, whose one-year term as AMA president ended Tuesday, called the number of related measures on this year's agenda extraordinary and said recent violence, including the Parkland, Florida, school shooting and the Las Vegas massacre, "spurred a new sense of urgency ... while Congress fails to act."

"It has been frustrating that we have seen so little action from either state or federal legislators," he said. "The most important audience for our message right now is our legislators, and second most important is the public, because sometimes it requires public pressure on the legislators."

While it is no longer viewed as the unified voice of American medicine, the AMA has more clout with politicians and the public than other doctor groups. It counted more than 243,000 members in 2017, up slightly for the seventh straight year. But it represents less than one-quarter of the nation's million-plus physicians.

AMA members cited U.S. government data showing almost 40,000 deaths by gun in 2016, including suicides, and nearly 111,000 gun injuries. Both have been rising in recent years.

By comparison, U.S. deaths from diabetes in 2016 totaled almost 80,000; Alzheimer's, 111,000; and lung disease, 155,000. The leaders are heart disease, with 634,000 deaths in 2016, and cancer, about 600,000.

Well since physicians don't seem to care about the niceties of the constitution perhaps they could save more lives by pushing for complete bans on cigarettes and alcohol? How about mandatory speed restrictions of 30mph on highways? Perhaps concentration/re education camps for those that consume too much sugar?


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My heart doc at the VA spent about 1 hour discussing guns and reloading during my last appointment and about 15 minutes on my heart. He is a Camp Perry shooter every year. Wish we had more like him.


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AMA members cited U.S. government data showing almost 40,000 deaths by gun in 2016, including suicides, and nearly 111,000 gun injuries. Both have been rising in recent years.

By comparison, U.S. deaths from diabetes in 2016 totaled almost 80,000; Alzheimer's, 111,000; and lung disease, 155,000. The leaders are heart disease, with 634,000 deaths in 2016, and cancer, about 600,000.

Perhaps I'm jaded, but I cannot help but observe that diabetes, Alzheimer's, respiratory diseases and heart diseases are all very profitable for the medical and pharmaceutical industries. People getting killed and injured by the employment of firearms: Not so much.

Probably just coincidence...

Btw, doctors: There's no link between suicide rates and gun ownership. (Not that I expect a dose of reality to have any effect on your politicizing.)



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If I recall correctly, a substantial number of physicians do not belong to the AMA for a variety of reasons. These professional organizations are often run by liberal minded individuals who are out of touch with the everday practice of medicine.

On some electronic medical records there is the question concerning the ownership of firearms. Most physicians I know do not ask that question. It is a pertinent question to ask if you are practicing psychiatry and are treating a depressed patient. Even then, it may not be the best to ask at the top of the interview.
 
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my last PCP (he is now concierge only) asked me during a physical what I did for fun,

he was a firm believer that whatever a person does to for fun or to relax would be a great benefit for that persons long term health,

so I told him I competed in Service Rifle Comps,

he is Dutch, so I had to explain to him what it was, course of fire, reloading etc etc,

he listened intently, smiled and said keep doing it,

every once in a while during a visit he would ask, and was always positive about it,



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My wife was admitted to a local hospital last week due to a major seizure. She is a multi, multi gallon blood donor. Her blood is always tested at OneBlood. One of the doctors in the hospital told me that my wife has HeP C.

I am going to do some research to check out false positives for HEP C. Scarey.


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... how about some articles about how the leading source of MRSA and other anti biotic resistant infections are Hospitals.

Oh, it's worse than that. At least in my personal experience. I would venture to say I know more people who've contracted an anti-biotic infection in hospitals, after going in for one-or-another treatment or procedure, than those who have not. By a wide margin.

TBH: I've become afraid of becoming sick or injured such that hospitalization is required mainly due to what seems to be to be the odds that, if whatever puts me there doesn't do me in, whatever I catch there will.

Put in the perspective of this thread: I'm far more fearful of hospitals than I am my fellow armed citizen. By a wide margin.
 
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There is nothing new in this. They have been passing support for restrictions on guns, banning of semi-autos, and other crap for years. Often, they update and "reaffirm" old resolutions just to do something to keep their virtue signalling in the news.

Fuck them. My shooting buddy is my doc. He has plenty of guns, many of them semi-auto, and only doesn't own full auto because he considers them wasteful, and gets no pleasure from them.

I don't believe he is an AMA member...



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Medical "professionals" kill far more people every year than firearms do.
Beat me to it. And its not even close.


Nope.

Anywhere from 250,000 to 400,000 deaths a year from medical mistakes. Many from poor sanitary practices.


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Not nearly as Much as Physicians do!
23 times to be exact!

https://drgo.us/doctors-kill-2...ople-than-guns-kill/


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How about a t-shirt:

"Your AMA member has killed more people than my NRA mamber"
 
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My doctor would be shocked if I didn't show up for a check up without a gun.




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https://www.usnews.com/news/ar...e-of-death-in-the-us

Medical errors are the third leading cause of death in the U.S., after heart disease and cancer, causing at least 250,000 deaths every year, according to an analysis out Tuesday indicating that patient safety efforts fall far short.

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My family physician is an NRA member and Sig enthusiast !! Big Grin
 
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Many docs that I know are very, very disillusioned with the AMA !! They feel that the AMA doesn't represent them...Many of them are pulling out of the AMA.
 
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Did not read all the posts, but Bionic hit the nail on the head on page 1. The AMA does not represent practicing physicians
 
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My doctor would be shocked if I didn't show up for a check up without a gun.
That's a very difficult sentence construct to follow. I think you mean that he'd be shocked if you did show up for a checkup without a gun. Yes?

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How about a t-shirt:

"Your AMA members has killed more people than my NRA members"

Great idea. Someone should really make this T-shirt. Perhaps the NRA? Cool


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Yeah. I've mentioned it before in past yrs. in similar threads.
My family of gun owners have zero deaths or injuries by firearm.
We lost Grandma to blatant medical malpractice when I was eleven.
I'm alert when I go to the gun range. I'm nervous as hell when I go to the doctor.
 
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My doctor would be shocked if I didn't show up for a check up without a gun.

Jones, do you mean he’d be shocked if you didn’t show up with a gun or if you did show up without one? I figure the chances of either happening is probably less than zero unless you’re planning to go under anesthesia. Smile
 
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