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ATF is Playing Games on AR-15 Ammunition Ban

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July 23, 2018, 07:54 PM
AzMikeCFD102
ATF is Playing Games on AR-15 Ammunition Ban
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The Obama administration pursued gun control by stealth in a number of ways, including an effort to reclassify certain types of AR-15 ammunition.

Three years ago we filed a Freedom of Information Act request to learn more about this, and last year, with no response, we sued.

Now we have filed a brief in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia asking the court to order the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) to produce more than 1,900 pages of records relating to the its proposed reclassification that would effectively ban certain types of AR-15 ammunition as armor-piercing.



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July 23, 2018, 08:02 PM
jljones
Ermaghad ammunition ban!!!!!!!



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July 23, 2018, 08:20 PM
wreckdiver
Does this surprise anyone?


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July 23, 2018, 08:21 PM
wcb6092
The Freedom of Information Act needs some teeth. Agencies should have to produce certain documents within a certain time period.Serious sanctions and fines should be written in for non compliance.

And this post is not as much about an ammunition ban as it about bureaucracies jerking around the public and congress who hve every right to see these records.


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July 23, 2018, 08:23 PM
Il Cattivo
quote:
Does this surprise anyone?

That ATFE would think its way through an ammunition ban? No.

That someone would go to court to bring the process to light, and just generally make the point that attempts to ban ammunition will result in a giant pain in the ass? Yes, pleasantly.
July 23, 2018, 08:53 PM
jljones
quote:
Originally posted by wcb6092:

And this post is not as much about an ammunition ban as it about bureaucracies jerking around the public and congress who hve every right to see these records.


But saying ATF drags feet on FOIA doesn’t get near the clicks as “ERMAGHAD ATF BLAH BLAH AMMUNITION BAN”.

Click Bait titles. They suck.



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July 23, 2018, 08:57 PM
12131
quote:
Originally posted by jljones:
quote:
Originally posted by wcb6092:

And this post is not as much about an ammunition ban as it about bureaucracies jerking around the public and congress who hve every right to see these records.


But saying ATF drags feet on FOIA doesn’t get near the clicks as “ERMAGHAD ATF BLAH BLAH AMMUNITION BAN”.

Click Bait titles. They suck.

BIN.GO.


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July 23, 2018, 10:54 PM
KevinCW
Where is Blair Holt lecturing us about "them" shutting down the last lead smelter.....




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July 24, 2018, 07:59 AM
Leemur
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Originally posted by KevinCW:
Where is Blair Holt lecturing us about "them" shutting down the last lead smelter.....


Shit, now I have to find my PANIC boots again. You suck Kevin.
July 24, 2018, 09:08 AM
chellim1
quote:
The Obama administration pursued gun control by stealth in a number of ways, including an effort to reclassify certain types of AR-15 ammunition.

Those of us on Sigforum knew this was going on under the Obama administration. Thank God for Trump and the defeat of the Hildebeast or it would have continued.


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July 24, 2018, 11:53 AM
egregore
Stupid question: how is the M855 with a steel penetrating tip not "armor-piercing?" Isn't it supposed to penetrate a steel helmet? I've only used plain old FMJ 55 gr. in my Ruger AR.
July 24, 2018, 12:17 PM
TSE
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Originally posted by egregore:
Stupid question: how is the M855 with a steel penetrating tip not "armor-piercing?" Isn't it supposed to penetrate a steel helmet? I've only used plain old FMJ 55 gr. in my Ruger AR.


ATF definition of AP: https://www.atf.gov/news/pr/ar...-exemption-framework


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