I had it.

Run the lastest Magnificent Features Update and it nuked my HP Pavilion. Not worth fixing it again to reinstall W10.

Machine was declared fitted for service and updated for free from it´s original W7. It´s going back to W7 or I´ll finaly do the right thing and give Linux a serious look. Can´t afford anything in the Mac World...

Been fixing DOS/Windows PCs since 1987 for a living and must say that TO ME Windows 10 has no extra benefits and is a complete PITA when it comes to maintenance and fixing.

Not worth my precious time.

I´m not sure I even have a job to return to, so might as well get rid of the problems at home. W10 is one of them.

My HP Pavilion W10 is dead, good riddance!



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Welcome brother. Ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS awaits you. As does Libre Office 6.4.2. Thunderbird, Mozilla, and the rest of your favorites welcome you to the fold.

H&K-Guy

I can’t count how many machines have nuked after windoze updates. I think it was 2014 I said fuck it after windoze updates killed my 1 year old Dell. I was tired of dealing with it as I used to build them so I said the hell with it. I’ll just buy a solid desktop from a large company who has tested all the hardware. Didn’t matter, 1 year in, bam.

I bought a Mac Mini. They aren’t expensive but if you need a laptop, yeah Mac wants $$$ which is why I still haven’t bought a laptop from them even though my IPP is damn near the cost. That Mac Mini has been brick shit house reliable for 6 years. Latest OS is on it and running fine.

Since the machine's trashed, anyway, 0-0, why not quickly install Ubuntu or Mint on it for a test? See how you like it. How it works for you.

I'm going to eventually switch our desktops here in the ensigmatic household to, probably, Mac Minis, because we're using iPhones and iPads and would like the integration. Also because my wife's TomTom GPS doesn't have a Linux client for updating it, but there's one for OS X. Otherwise we'd be on all Linux desktops.

Her PC dual-boots MS-Win7 Pro and Linux Mint. Only reason she ever boots into MS-Win is to update the TomTom. Otherwise she uses Linux. Then again: She really doesn't use her PC for much, any more.

I know there are many people here who use MS-Windows, like it, and have found it relatively trouble-free. I, however, have never been so blessed. When I was still employed I developed a deep and abiding hatred of MS-Windows. I think the only reason I don't hate it as much now is because I'm not regularly exposed to it any more

Nicky, maybe it's the old hardware you guys are forced to use down there is contributing to the problem.
I have said it time and time before that stretching old hardware is a recipe for disaster.
Anyway good luck on whatever you migrate to.

I use Linux Mint with the MATE interface. Fast and doesn't need/use a ton of resources.

PC

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Originally posted by smschulz:
Nicky, maybe it's the old hardware you guys are forced to use down there is contributing to the problem.
I have said it time and time before that stretching old hardware is a recipe for disaster.
Anyway good luck on whatever you migrate to.

I hear you Steve and I understand your position.

But I´ve worked with Windows since day 1, back in the 80´s, struggled with a few version making ways where they were none yet.

Throwing new hardware at problems is not my way. Not just that prices and availability prevent me, they do, but it´s not that.
W10 simply doesn´t have anything worth the unprovoqued trouble it brings time and again.

Believe me, I was a OS/2 geek once and provided support to IBM and that was like standing in front of the excreta distributing fan. But it was welcomed trouble, new challenges and the gratification of taming the OS.
W10 has none of it.

I´ve instaled Linux (Mint) half a dozen times but never stayed long enough with it to get hooked. Now I will pay more attention to it.

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0-0, you and I share a similar trodden path.

Nowadays, it's a Macbook 10.14.6 (Mojave) with Parallels virtual s/w for work, and for cyber training/demos/labs, Ubuntu 18.04.4 LTS and a Tor browser, on a Dell Inspiron XPS 15 9560 - the Dell is formerly a Win10.

Be inspired ...

Hey Nick

We gotta get you up and running on the Zoom for next weekend.

Just got a laptop with Ubuntu on it.

Go Linux

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
Hey Nick

We gotta get you up and running on the Zoom for next weekend.

Just got a laptop with Ubuntu on it.

Go Linux

And Zoom does have a Linux client!
https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-...alling-Zoom-on-Linux

excellent

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Originally posted by 0-0:

Throwing new hardware at problems is not my way.
Not just that prices and availability prevent me, they do, but it´s not that.
W10 simply doesn´t have anything worth the unprovoqued trouble it brings time and again.

Nicky, with all due respect throwing different software specifically the OS is just the same treatment.
There are always compatibility factors with ever scenario, when you move forward or are in sync with using what was originally designed for then those are generally reduced if not eliminated.
I don't know the specifics on your particular issue but everything has a remedy.
Perhaps your limitation's are overwhelming but assure you the problem is not a systemic one of the OS (specifically W10).
However, it may be in your best interest to pursue an alternative and I understand that and wish you all the luck in the world.

Originaly, I sort of despised gaming consoles.
There was nothing a console could offer me that my PC would not best without trouble.

But I was maintaining an office with 4 gaming PCs and at one point I simply couldn´t keep up with the latest technology in video cards. Way too expensive.

Then I took a better look at consoles and realised that as a closed system, the console would prevent the software from outgrowing the machine, at least for a certain number of years.
My gaming years are long gone but I´ve owned an Xbox, a 360 and now have a much unused XBO.

When W10 approved my Pavilion i7 I thought it was good to go. As have stated time and again, I don´t demand much of this machine. Browsing, VLC and World of Tanks in Std resolution. I am not asking too much.
Why on earth is the OS demanding more beats me. I know how to tweak OS so my resources will concentrate on my needs and not on those of the rest of the computing world. I can make hardware go the extra mile, the extra hundred miles, the extra thousand miles.
W10 doesn´t play nice with me, even whe i make simpler for it. My OS settings are default, can´t make it more vanilla than this.

I will have to work with W10 in the future, if there´s stil one but for me, I won´t be installing any more W10 at home or suggest anyone to do so. Will make Linux my new favorite OS and enjoy my not so new hardware with it.

If one day I make to the US I´ll buy me a Mac (after checking with you guys what is the best option).

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Originally posted by smschulz:
Nicky, maybe it's the old hardware you guys are forced to use down there is contributing to the problem.
I have said it time and time before that stretching old hardware is a recipe for disaster.
Anyway good luck on whatever you migrate to.

Normally I'd concur, however I have a brand new Dell with win10 that came with it and it's had several issues from day one. Loosing connection to a USB backup drive, failing to access said drive when a file is selected until you reaccess, failure to establish a program as default as selected (yes I built servers, pc's, using Novell, Windows Server and maintained networks)

It's changing default applications continually. Specifically it won't allow Adobe Acrobat to remain as the default for PDF, and it is now rejecting Chrome as the default browser, and it's windows that's doing it, it changed both back to Edge, several times a day, even though it's reset as default!

MSFT blames Adobe, Adobe Blames MSFT, but now that it's changing Chrome back to Edge, well figure we know who's at fault....

I'd switch to Linux if I could, and when I can figure a way out to do so, Windows is gone...

HRK, I respect your experience.
You are not far off with the "Blame the OS" vs "Blame the App/Device/etc".
Yes, there have been some file association issues and it can be frustrating.
Whether or not MS is entirely to be the blame is debatable but this has been a well known code trick from Adobe, on the browser switch who really knows.
It is really a political battle here.
On your networking issues there are plenty of variable that can come into play but my experience with MS on that area has been exceptional.
Nevertheless the grass is always greener on the other side view is quite common and I understand completely.
But you have to admit regardless of what device, OS, app you have we (Technology as a whole) have made tremendous improvements over the years.

No doubt all the OS are light years ahead of when we were running DOS on 20 mb hard drives,

I'm not sure in this case Adobe would be changing the default from Adobe back to Edge, that would be counter intuitive, it bugs me because Acrobat/Reader are necessary and I see 100 plus pdf a day, changing it back from Edge to Adobe each time is a PIA....

On the USB drive going to sleep, it's probably something in the settings I need to deal with, but the browser BS started Friday, after a MSFT update.

Small things in the scope of the world right!!

It is very odd that someone who does this for a living is having this much trouble. How in the heck are you going to maintain customers machines that almost all run Windows 10 if you can't even keep yours running? That would be like a Chevy mechanic at your chevy dealership being pissed at Chevrolet because he can't keep his own Chevrolet vehicle running.

I have six different Windows 10 machines I'm using and they all work flawlessly and always have.

Of course, none of them are on ancient or struggling hardware so that may be the difference.

I also run Linux and you're going to find Linux takes much more of your "precious time" to fiddle with and get things and keep things working. Linux has a HUGE learning curve.

I play on my Linux machines but use my Windows 10 machines to get work done.

Just my experience and I've been building and working on both Windows and Linux PC's since the late 80's (early 90's for Linux).

With Linux, you can make it as difficult as you like ... and some certainly do ... especially those first coming from Windoze or those who mainly use Windoze and all the fiddling they're used to doing to keep a lean mean OS going. Those coming to Linux Mint from Windoze just want something to fiddle with. They've come to expect it in an OS ... but for the most part, not only is it not necessary, but detrimental to Linux Mint OS efficiency.

I've found that Linux Mint is virtually plug and play. Install it and let it do its thing. Little to no personal interface involved for update or maintenance. It just runs worry free. Of course, there are a few tweaks I install, some of which are from a command line so I'll agree, there is a learning curve just like there was with Windoze and just like there would be with a MAC or any other OS. But once figured out, enjoy the Freedom.

EDIT: All that said, I do have one low powered (Intel Atom) Netbook that runs Win10. I find I need it every couple of years to run firmware updates on cameras and or some such. Linux does not play nice with windoze *.exe files.

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Originally posted by smschulz:
But you have to admit regardless of what device, OS, app you have we (Technology as a whole) have made tremendous improvements over the years.

The truest statement ever to flow from a keyboard. Every now and then, I’ll fire up the IBM XT and do a little fiddling. After half a day trying combinations of DIP switches to resolve some interrupt conflict or something, it reminds me how far we have come. Anybody remember the thrill when you could create directories in DOS 2.0?

I left MS about the year 2000 for Macintosh when I left Novell and became self-employed. Last year I went back to punching somebody else’s clock, and am now using W10 all day at work. Although I find the interface crude and archaic compared to MacOS, it works rather well. In fact, my work PC seems rock solid as a day-to-day machine. Perhaps I had low expectations leftover from the 90s, but I have no serious gripe with Windows 10. I’m not about to switch from MacOS, but W10 is okay.

Forward delete... I missed you these last two decades.

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Originally posted by LBTRS:
It is very odd that someone who does this for a living is having this much trouble. How in the heck are you going to maintain customers machines that almost all run Windows 10 if you can't even keep yours running? That would be like a Chevy mechanic at your chevy dealership being pissed at Chevrolet because he can't keep his own Chevrolet vehicle running....

I hear you.
I run several W10 boxes at the office and they are not old boxes, those with processors that won't even let you install W7, for instance.

But I've learned the hard way that W10 does shit than no other OS has done since I started in the mid 80's too.
Like finding a driver I kept in one of my utilities folders for ages simply because before the internet not all drivers were so easy to find and it was smart to keep copies of them.
Well, W10 took a perfectly running machine and stroke it down because it found this forgotten file somewhere in my drive and decided it was not compatible. The offending file was even zipped and hidden deep down in the bowels of my machine.

WTF MS?

With that I learned that I had to keep my important support files in a removable disk and keep my W10 as vanilla as possible.

Whose machine is it then? Mine or theirs?

Apps that stop working like Nero Burning Rom. One day alive, next W10 update no longer admissible.

WTF MS?

W10 built in stuff no longer available until I execute the next update... WHAT?

My Pavilion i7/8GB RAM is perfectly suitable to run W10 and was doing so with no issues until the last night when I updated. After that it was a dead machine with a lot of work to be done to make it run again. Why on fucking Earth?

As I said, some MS OS were hard on the non savvy. This one is unnecessary twisted and invasive for little or no advantages TO THIS PARTICULAR USER.
Might not be a Certified Expert but am a hell of an experienced one and am completely fed up with this particular OS.




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