More great info guys. Nice to have people in the know and those who have served. Looking back I do wish at times I would have served even if for just the 4 years.

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Originally posted by CD228:
I'm just wondering if the BDE HHC falls under the FA BN UIC for property purposes.

If anything, I would expect them to be completely separate. But, I'm massively out of date on UIC structure and conventions, so...

The Bn Cdr, SGM and any number of other staff members of the Bn probably rate a sidearm as per the TO&E, right?

I was actually in 5-25 FA many years ago when I was stationed at Polk. I served in many positions at BTRY and BN level.

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Originally posted by motor59:
The Bn Cdr, SGM and any number of other staff members of the Bn probably rate a sidearm as per the TO&E, right?

Last I saw, yes they would.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
Your M17 probably went back and forth to the chow line and the barracks.

Word. Or it just didn’t leave the arms room much.
Betcha it’s in pretty awesome shape inside and out.

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Originally posted by LincolnSixEcho:
More great info guys. Nice to have people in the know and those who have served. Looking back I do wish at times I would have served even if for just the 4 years.

Also realize that units deactivate and activate later and at a different post. The Army probably has less control over their weapons than most people realize. Not a bad thing necessarily.

If it came from Ft. Polk it may have syphilis, or at least cooties, and maybe malaria.

Be careful.

(I, too, was once stationed at the Asshole of the Army in central Louisiana. )

^^^^^Until recently I had never heard of Fort Polk. Why is it considered the ass of the army?

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Originally posted by LincolnSixEcho:
^^^^^Until recently I had never heard of Fort Polk. Why is it considered the ass of the army?

Ft. Polk La. is Little 'Nam and the home to a bunch of the toughest S.O.B. Grunts around. If the heat doesn't get you or the Gators, there is always snakes and Humidity. It is a tough duty Station and not for the faint of heart. I did an tour there and my cousin (Retired 1st Sgt.) spent 16 of 28 years there.

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Originally posted by CD228:
There is a Field Artillery BN located at FT Polk as part of the Third Brigade of the Tenth Mountain Division (Don't ask me where the mountain is)...

Until a few months ago I assumed (yes, I know how to spell it) the entire 10th Mountain Division was at Ft Drum NY, which is MAJOR snow country. https://home.army.mil/drum/ I was at the Rock Island (IL) Arsenal PX and saw a GI with a combat patch from the 10th and asked if he missed the snow. Turns out he had deployed from Polk.

https://home.army.mil/drum/ind...nits-tenants/3rd-BCT

FWIW, Bald1 and I grew up about an hour south of Fort Drum.

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Originally posted by Sigmund:

FWIW, Bald1 and I grew up about an hour south of Fort Drum.

LOL Yeppers.

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Originally posted by bald1:

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Originally posted by Sigmund:

FWIW, Bald1 and I grew up about an hour south of Fort Drum.

LOL Yeppers.

I spent time in Plattsburgh AFB and Griffiss AFB when I was young and my parents were in SAC.

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Originally posted by LincolnSixEcho:
^^^^^Until recently I had never heard of Fort Polk. Why is it considered the ass of the army?

Do a rotation in the Box and you'll know. It's a national training center, units go there for a month at time and try and cram an entire 6-12 month deployment into about a week and change of force on force (good guys vs bad guys with blanks and laser guns). Almost no time for sleep and it's hot, humid and nasty. Last time I was there we worked until 0300 and then brief at 0630 every day.

It sucks at FT Irwin and Hoenfels too.

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Originally posted by motor59:

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Originally posted by CD228:
I'm just wondering if the BDE HHC falls under the FA BN UIC for property purposes.

If anything, I would expect them to be completely separate. But, I'm massively out of date on UIC structure and conventions, so...

The Bn Cdr, SGM and any number of other staff members of the Bn probably rate a sidearm as per the TO&E, right?

So I checked the system, the BDE HHC does have a separate UIC (a AAA) and dosen't fall under any BN per FMS web.

However, a company dosen't get it's own FSC or property book and has to pull services/support from some where. In the past the FA BN would be tasked to provide admin, UCMJ and maintenance support for the BDE HHC. As part of the admin support, that could include having the HHC's new equipment coming in through the FA BN's PBO. Sorry if thats clear as mud.

So the 5/25 FA BN is in the system and they are authorized 13 pistols for the HHB. 3 for the command group (probably the BN CMDR, XO, CSM), 1 for S-3 (probably for the 3), 1 for the fire support cell (maybe for the FS Coordinator IDK), 1 for the HHB CMDR, 1 in the Medical treatment section (Maybe for the PA), 6 in the combat Medic section (for the medics). Some of those medics probably get attached to the 3 subordinate firing batteries (they don't have medics assigned).

I also sniffed around to see if there was another Arty unit running around FT Polk we weren't tracking and didn't find one in the computer.

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Originally posted by Pyker:
Cool Pulp Fiction Picture

Yes, I do speak English, the Army doesn't. :-)

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Originally posted by CD228:

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Originally posted by LincolnSixEcho:
^^^^^Until recently I had never heard of Fort Polk. Why is it considered the ass of the army?

Do a rotation in the Box and you'll know. It's a national training center, units go there for a month at time and try and cram an entire 6-12 month deployment into about a week and change of force on force (good guys vs bad guys with blanks and laser guns). Almost no time for sleep and it's hot, humid and nasty. Last time I was there we worked until 0300 and then brief at 0630 every day.

It sucks at FT Irwin and Hoenfels too.

While I was stationed at Drum for over dozen years, our aviation units usually went to JRTC, ( Joint Readiness Training Center, ) at Polk a couple times a year, ( and the NTC - National Training Center - at Ft Irwin, CA every so often. ) Since we were a 'LID', ( Light Infantry Division, ) we deployed to the training centers much more often.

While I was stationed in Germany during the early/mid 90's, I lucked out and never went to Hoenfels for the first two years, however, I got slammed with having to go there two or three times during my last year there.


There wasn't much in the way of mountains in northern NY either. The 10th Mountain Division originally formed up in Colorado during WWII, if memory serves.

As far as the OP's pistol, as the others have said, since it was in a Headquarters company, chances are good that it seldom left the arms room.

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Originally posted by ARMT Guy:

...The 10th Mountain Division originally formed up in Colorado during WWII, if memory serves...

Camp Hale, real close to SigFreund.

Camp Hale was established in 1942 in west-central Colorado to provide winter and mountain warfare training during World War II (WWII). The site was acquired by purchase from private owners and by use permits from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, Forest Service. The cantonment (or living area) area for Camp Hale was constructed in Eagle Park, east of Highway 24 between Leadville and Red Cliff, Colorado. The camp was established here because of the natural setting of a large, flat valley bottom, surrounded by steep hillsides suitable for training in skiing, rock climbing, and cold weather survival skills. The size of Camp Hale varied between 5,000 and 247,243 acres during the time that it was an active military installation.

Military use of Camp Hale included the 10th Mountain Division, the 38th Regimental Combat Team, 99th Infantry Battalion, and soldiers from Fort Carson conducting mountain and winter warfare training exercises from 1942 to 1965. Throughout this time, the Army tested a variety of weapons and equipment at Camp Hale. From 1959 through 1965, the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) secretly trained Tibetan soldiers at Camp Hale. In July 1965, Camp Hale was deactivated and control of the lands returned to the Forest Service in 1966.

The info above is from this site about UXO clean up:

http://www.camphale.org/index.htm

These have general history:

https://www.msudenver.edu/camphale/camphalehistory/

https://ww2colorfarbe.blogspot...f-10th-mountain.html

https://caamedia.org/shadowcircus/camp.html

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Originally posted by Sigmund:
Camp Hale, real close to SigFreund.

Yes, about half an hour drive.

A view of a small part of the site last fall from the main bypass road.

The mosquitoes at Polk have tail numbers on them and have been known to eat children whole.

True story.

Good stuff guys. Thanks for clearing some of that up. As far as my pistol, it had to have been carried a decent amount and shot more than a few mags that’s for sure. Has evidence for some moderate wear around lanyard hole and some scrapes that are from holster presentation draws based on many pics I’ve seen with similar patterns of wear. Also a decent amount of dirt/gook/wear lines in the mag well that was about 10x as much as my commercial M17 that looks as new even after several hundred rounds fired.

My other one has no history of being issued and was delivered and sent back seemingly without being fired much if at all. It looks near new, definitely superior condition to the one in question above. I wanted a used (but not excessively or abused) one and a near new one though so it’s nice to have both.