I was at the dealer yesterday getting my Grand Cherokee serviced. I had time so I was perusing the new trucks. Came across a 2025 Rebel with a couple of option packages. MSRP was about $72k! To top it all off, there was, what I call, a "Fuck you" sticker next to the manufactures sticker. It basically said this truck isn't $72k, it's $75k.

I thought to myself, welp, not getting a new truck someday after all.

Came home and was telling my wife about this sweet, overpriced truck with the cool paint color (Forged Blue they call it) and she asked to see it. So I went on line to the dealer's site and showed it to her.

And guess what, the internet price was $61k

Damn, I wish I had $61k laying around.

World changed with Covid and Stellantis went nuts on pricing, of all the car companies they jacked MSRP on all lines.

One reason was they could build cars, Stellantis had ordered all the chips they could and were one of the few manufacturers that could build cars.

Now they are suffering, and there are deals on MOPAR/Jeeps. Still yes, there are no $30K deals out there on full size pickups...

The internet prices are meant to suck you in to the dealership where the real inflated price is the starting point. Lately, some dealer advertisements on line have this little disclaimer in fine print "does not include transportation, dealer make ready, and other dealer charges".

I wish some legal authority would crack down on car dealerships for false pricing. They should not be allowed to advertise a price that they will not actually sell for.

This is why I spent a total of $3000 to replace the engine in my Frontier.

I would think Rams are 5-10K off of MSRP right now. They are in my market anyway. Most of the CDJR line is discounted since they have so much and they are trying to move it.

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Originally posted by ridewv:
I wish some legal authority would crack down on car dealerships for false pricing. They should not be allowed to advertise a price that they will not actually sell for.

If they had one car at that price at the time the ad was published, it's technically within the law. There is sometimes a "*One at this price" disclaimer in teeny-tiny print. I'm guessing that very rarely, if ever, does anyone get to the dealer in time to snag that one car. Not defending it.

The prices are insane. looking right now for my "retirement"/70th birthday truck. Was ready to pull the trigger on 2 GMC 3500 HD SLT the other day. Had been on the lot for about 5 weeks. it was there Sunday and gone on Tuesday. Oh well, back to the search.

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Originally posted by JohnCourage:
I would think Rams are 5-10K off of MSRP right now. They are in my market anyway. Most of the CDJR line is discounted since they have so much and they are trying to move it.

Dodge/Ram, in the past, always seemed to have more/higher discounts & rebates than GM & Ford, on average.

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Originally posted by egregore:

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Originally posted by ridewv:
I wish some legal authority would crack down on car dealerships for false pricing. They should not be allowed to advertise a price that they will not actually sell for.

If they had one car at that price at the time the ad was published, it's technically within the law. There is sometimes a "*One at this price" disclaimer in teeny-tiny print. I'm guessing that very rarely, if ever, does anyone get to the dealer in time to snag that one car. Not defending it.

What I'm referring to is promoting a vehicle for say $39,000, then in small print "freight and fees not included" which could be another $2,500. How can they even leave freight off msrp anyway? Imagine grocery stores advertising milk for $2.99 but ringing it up at $3.45 because in the fine print "freight and stock boy charge extra".
It would be different if we had the option of having our new car delivered to the closest dealer or saving the freight cost by picking it up at the factory. But that's not the case, you must pay their same freight charge no matter, so why shouldn't it be included it in the price?

There are some pretty aggressive discounts out there. In February, I bought a new 2024 F150. Sticker was $59K. With discounts and incentives, it was $46K. They also had a $1K trade in assistance rebate.

Local RAM dealer is advertising $8.5 to $13K discounts with no dealer add ons.

Maybe your dealer has more business than they need?

Financing is also ludicrous now too

I remember my frugal wife was PISSED we had to pay $355 a month to purchase her Honda Odyssey back in 2020. Now it's looking like a payment for any thing halfway decent for me later this year will be like $600 or more. I mentioned this to a friend and he laughed and said his car payment was $750...WTF

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:
This is why I spent a total of $3000 to replace the engine in my Frontier.

You got a GREAT deal! A friend had to replace the engine on his Silverado and it cost almost $9000.

I just replaced the engine on my 2012 GMC Sierra for $6800. Well worth it to me, compared to the cost of a new vehicle.

I was casually looking at a Nissan Maxima a few years ago before the pandemic and they had a sticker called market adjustment which added another 4 grand to MSRP. Truck prices have skyrocketed, my 2010 Tundra cost me 33 grand and that ssme truck now costs well north of 55 grand so I'm still driving my 2010 which runs perfect with a little over 110000 miles on the clock.

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Originally posted by PASig:
Financing is also ludicrous now too

Struck up a conversation with a guy trading in his truck. Told the salesman that his credit was 810 and he wasn't going to be accepting a 8% loan. Said he was willing to walk away if they didn't come up with a deal. I wonder what he got.

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he wasn't going to be accepting a 8% loan

Always check with your Credit Union before shopping, NFCU is offering 4.49% for 60 months

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Originally posted by eagle0199:

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:
This is why I spent a total of $3000 to replace the engine in my Frontier.

You got a GREAT deal! A friend had to replace the engine on his Silverado and it cost almost $9000.

I just replaced the engine on my 2012 GMC Sierra for $6800. Well worth it to me, compared to the cost of a new vehicle.

I did it myself. The engine was only $1900. Everything else added up for the install.

Still WAY cheaper than a new truck. This one has many, many years left in it. The body is flawless with no rust whatsoever.

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They should not be allowed to advertise a price that they will not actually sell for.

They’ve taken that play from the real estate business.

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Originally posted by BigSwede:

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he wasn't going to be accepting a 8% loan

Always check with your Credit Union before shopping, NFCU is offering 4.49% for 60 months

My CU is 4.74%.

New vehicle prices, across the board, are ridiculous. Like with many things they’ll quote anything they can to justify increases in MSRP’s. It was Covid, then supply constraints, then inflation. When parts fall in price or % or whatever, they don’t care and keep the price the same. They are going to start to hurt too as you can see above. The skilled consumer is gonna put a brand new engine in, buy used, etc, etc. I always gauge the car market by economy level new car pricing. Think Corolla/Civic. Mid level, not top of the line trim, $30k now. Extend that to CUV’s, SUV’s, performance cars, and trucks, and you see how ridiculous these prices are today.

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Originally posted by BigSwede:

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he wasn't going to be accepting a 8% loan

Always check with your Credit Union before shopping, NFCU is offering 4.49% for 60 months

My CU has been pretty consistently 1.5-2% better than the dealer finance.
I always check in with a couple Houston CUs before venturing into the dealer.