The fact that Joe claimed his son was innocent when it was blatantly obvious the opposite was true pretty much tells you all you need to know about his integrity as our president. I'm not really shocked by anything him or his son say or do at this point

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Originally posted by Carpentermaass84:
The fact that Joe claimed his son was innocent when it was blatantly obvious the opposite was true pretty much tells you all you need to know about his integrity as our president. I'm not really shocked by anything him or his son say or do at this point

Well, it would be pretty damn stupid for him to claim his son is guilty before the jury trial, now wouldn't it? Claiming you're innocent or your son or loved one is innocent is hardly a scandal. It's what people facing trial do, especially when they pleaded not guilty.

^^^^
The most stupid and arrogant thing FJB did was to say anything at all pre-trial, particularly considering he's POTUS.

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Originally posted by 12131:

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During a segment of "MSNBC Reports" following Biden’s conviction on federal charges related to illegally possessing a firearm, Todd said that the real political fallout from the verdict hurts Trump because it proves there isn't a double standard at the Department of Justice.

Bullshit.

I don’t recall USDOJ offering President Trump an immunity deal that would protect him against all future prosecutions.

NY cases were not DoJ, both were state level cases. The Atlanta case is a state level charge. Not a DoJ prosecution.

Of course we know that the NY and Georgia cases are 100% motivated by politics, and they seem to have a lot of connections to the Biden White House, but they are not DoJ.

The classified documents case and the election interference cases are federal, and thus are DoJ. Those cases are complex, and many legal experts dispute the prosecution's theories as well as the basic facts. Certainly there are no similar cases in our country's history, and there are similar situations which the DoJ has declined to prosecute which involved democrats.

Hunter's case does not in any way show the DoJ as unbiased.

So on the 4473 form he lied about addicted to drugs. How do you think he answered the one on the dishonorable discharge?

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Originally posted by heydrich:
So on the 4473 form he lied about addicted to drugs. How do you think he answered the one on the dishonorable discharge?

My understanding was he managed to avoid the Double D.

Maybe daddy called in a favor…

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
He is not a convicted felon yet

He was just found guilty

He's convicted. The judge could have done a directed verdict and found him not guilty, but he didn't.

Here is the question on the 4473 form regarding drugs:

“Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?
Warning: The use or possession of marijuana remains unlawful under Federal law regardless of whether it has been legalized or decriminalized
for medicinal or recreational purposes in the state where you reside.”

From the testimony as reported in MSM, the only hard evidence was cocaine in the plastic bag used to throw away the firearm. I have less than no sympathy for his
Being convicted; however, I was surprised that his defense counsel was not able to establish reasonable doubt.

Real lawyers here - what think you?

His lawyers have withdrawn the petition for a re-trial. They are taking a different approach:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news...18f25a0af3d7af&ei=28

Hunter Biden Reverses Course in Gun Trial

President Joe Biden's son Hunter Biden has reversed course in his gun trial, withdrawing his motion for a new trial.

Hunter Biden's attorneys said he was no longer seeking a new trial on his gun charges in a court filing submitted on Tuesday. The president's son was found guilty on all three counts in his gun case last month. The charges stemmed from the purchase of a revolver in 2018, during which prosecutors said Hunter Biden lied about his use and addiction to drugs. He has denied any wrondoing and said he will appeal the verdict.

Hunter Biden had previously argued that Judge Maryellen Noreika, who oversaw his gun case, didn't have jurisdiction over the trial because of the pending rulings in his appeals case. But government prosecutors had argued that his motion was based on a misunderstanding of appellate practices since Third Circuit Court of Appeals had already allowed Noreika to try the case.

Hunter Biden's legal team appeared to address those points in the new document.

"Federal Rule of Appellate Procedure 41(b) requires that a mandate 'must issue'

within seven days after certain decisions concerning an appeal have passed, while noting that a Court of Appeals can 'shorten or extend the time [for doing so] by order'," the filing read. "The Third Circuit usually does the same, issuing a mandate after an appeal has been dismissed for lack of jurisdiction. However, no mandate was issued by the Third Circuit."

It continued: "Instead, the Clerk of the Court's signature block, not the Order itself, contains 'Certified Order Issued in Lieu of Mandate' language. As it appears that the Third Circuit views issuing a certified order 'in lieu' of a mandate as compliant with Rule 41's procedure for shortening the time for issuance of a mandate, Mr. Biden withdraws his motion."

In his initial motion, his attorneys had wrote, "Here, no mandate was issued during the trial or even now. Consequently, the conviction must be vacated."

Hunter Biden also recently argued in a separate filing that the Supreme Court's decision in United States v. Rahimi last month supports their motion for an acquittal or, "at a minimum," a new trial. In Rahimi, the justices upheld a federal ban on firearms for people subject to domestic violence restraining orders.

Hunter Biden's lawyers argued that because he never "terrorized anyone with a gun in public, or anywhere else, or used it dangerously in any way," the president's son should be acquitted.

Soooo, there is apparently no denial of the 4473 being falsified, just legal maneuvering on technicalities regarding how the case was handled. In other words he is still guilty of the actual crime.

^^^
So as long as you don’t “threaten or terrorize” anyone after lying on a 4473 and possessing CDS, we are all good to go in expecting an acquittal? That’s new…

Why spend money on lawyers when his father is going to either pardon him or commute his sentence? The only complication is if Joe gets a surprise 25th Amendment (anything Joe does after the proceeding begins would seem to be at risk of being thrown out).

A pardon would become a tricky legal minefield for Joe, since Hunter could then be compelled to testify against others regarding those crimes. A blanket pardon for any and all federal crimes would then put the rest of the Biden Crime Family at legal risk! Therefore I expect Joe will only pardon/commute the gun conviction.

Hunter's future legal troubles are going to be a lot bigger than this one guilty verdict.

The Bidens have all painted themselves into a corner, and it is fun to see!

Nah, those pardons were signed long ago. Anything that happens to the Big Guy that's going to require those pardons go live, rest assured, they'll be dated and issued before his demise or ouster is announced.