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I was under the impression that National Guard troops could be deployed only in their home state or adjacent state. Is this correct? הרחפת שלי מלאה בצלופחים | ||
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Depends how they were activated. Could be Title 10, a federal callup, or Title 32, which would exempt them from 18 USC 1385, Posse Comitatus. The lines get blurry sometimes... "Dead Midgets Handled With No Questions Asked" | |||
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Fighting the good fight |
National Guard troops from all over the country get deployed to the border on a semi-regular basis. Many of those aren't from border states, or adjacent to border states. Similarly, when big disasters hit (like large hurricanes), National Guardsmen from all over the country are sent to help. Not just from that state or neighboring states. | |||
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always with a hat or sunscreen |
V-tail, in case your thread here was prompted by my Posse Comitatus Act comment in the Trump IV thread, I was referring to the small number of active duty (aka "Federal") troops the Pentagon was adding to the DC mix and not the NG personnel States have sent. That's where a violation has occurred. Certifiable member of the gun toting, septuagenarian, bucket list workin', crazed retiree, bald is beautiful club! USN (RET), COTEP #192 | |||
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We are currently on title 32 (305f) orders: - State orders (same pay scale as Active or AT) - Federally funded There is an agreement between my state (VA) and DC | |||
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Unflappable Enginerd |
The NG weren't directly activated by the feds, so no. As I understand it, there are usually ~2k active duty military that participate in the inauguration, largely ceremonial roles like color guard and the band. However, there were an additional 750 deployed this week, and NOT for typical services associated with an inauguration.
More at link https://www.politico.com/news/...tion-security-460203 __________________________________ NRA Benefactor I lost all my weapons in a boating, umm, accident. http://www.aufamily.com/forums/ | |||
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| Unflappable Enginerd |
Are you there? Care to share with us whether you're actually armed? ie loaded magazines being carried? A good chunk of the photos I have seen, have been of troops with no magazines. __________________________________ NRA Benefactor I lost all my weapons in a boating, umm, accident. http://www.aufamily.com/forums/ | |||
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| אַרְיֵה |
I should have framed my question with respect to this:
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| Freethinker |
The posse comitatus act prohibits using the Army or Air Force for law enforcement purposes. “Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.” Providing medical care, identifying and rendering explosive devices safe, or dealing with CBNR materials by Army personnel does not necessarily involve law enforcement any more than does the response of a fire department to a fire or an ambulance crew to a vehicle accident. Active duty personnel are often used to support non-law enforcement efforts such as when the Intelligence Center and School at Fort Huachuca was closed down and we were all deployed to fight off post wildfires in the area. ► 6.4/93.6 ___________ “We are Americans …. Together we have resisted the trap of appeasement, cynicism, and isolation that gives temptation to tyrants.” — George H. W. Bush | |||
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| always with a hat or sunscreen |
sigfreund, Your citation is correct and when I made my "violation" comment, it was based on the initial announcement of the Pentagon adding the 750 active duty personnel to the NG troops providing Inauguration security which would be a law enforcement function. Only later was clarification provided about the technical support roles. Certifiable member of the gun toting, septuagenarian, bucket list workin', crazed retiree, bald is beautiful club! USN (RET), COTEP #192 | |||
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A Grateful American |
From the NYT video https://nypost.com/2021/01/18/...-biden-inauguration/  "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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Don't Panic |
Do NOT misuse the finest armed forces in the world domestically, or be prepared to pay a hefty fine! Seriously.....it's conceivable violations of Posse Comitatus could result in just a fine?!?! I don't know why, but I'm flashing on Blazing Saddles here..."Someone's gotta to go back and get a shitload of dimes....." | |||
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| Help! Help! I'm being repressed!  |
Perhaps after all of this is over he could talk about it, but until then he shouldn't. | |||
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Whatever the penalty, whatever the wording of the law, you can rest assured the Feds will do whatever the fook they want and find a way to justify it. | |||
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LIBERTATEM DEFENDIMUS |
Absolutely correct. Posse Comitatus is really pretty much irrelevant anyway. Local & Federal Agencies easily get around it by: 1) Hiring prior military personnel 2) Issuing select-fire full on military weapons, uniforms & vehicles 3) Employing military tactics and doctrine We'd see far less in the way of gun control in the US if they applied the same restrictions to civilian law enforcement as they do to law abiding citizens. | |||
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