New truck time

September 17, 2018, 09:43 AM

Aquabird

New truck time

Ive driven the newer Ford diesels and they do not sound or drive like the old ones. They are quiet and quick.

I have an F250, but not a diesel. The next one will be a diesel F-250

September 17, 2018, 10:58 AM

bendable

sorry , no more civilian vehicles for you

September 17, 2018, 11:13 AM

FenderBender

quote:
Originally posted by 1967Goat:
You don't list your location, but if you go new there's a dealer in Boise, Idaho, that basically sells new trucks at 80% of list. At least for Ram they do. I was in the market last year and had I gone new I would've flown to Boise to get a new Ram. They specialize in folks flying in and driving home. Great deal. I don't think the Chevy trucks had as big of a discount, but not sure.

General site
https://www.dennisdillon.com/

Ram site
https://www.dennisdillonchrysl...om/new-vehicles/ram/

well, I'll be keeping them in mind next time I buy, I'll drive to Boise for that kind of scratch.

September 17, 2018, 12:19 PM

c1steve

quote:
Originally posted by Jimbo54:
quote:
Originally posted by c1steve:
I bought a 2018 Ram 2500 diesel, 4x4. I have always been a Ford guy, but the Cummins engine and overall access has Ford beat hands down.

23 mpg at 70 mph, with the air conditioning on.

A friend recently bought one of these. $70,000!!
I bought one new in '91' for $24,000 and put 200k on it.

Jim

I bought my at Lithia in Grants Pass, OR. My price was $12,500 off of list price. I was very happy. Also Dave Smith Motors in Idaho has good deals, so I have been told.

The Grants Pass dealer was SUPER easy to deal with, gave me all the prices over the internet.

September 17, 2018, 12:32 PM

sigcrazy7

Whatever truck you buy, you should probably consider a different color.

September 17, 2018, 12:47 PM

trapper189

quote:
Originally posted by sigcrazy7:
Whatever truck you buy, you should probably consider a different color.

Like one not camo or not with a giant target painted on it. Safety yellow maybe.

September 17, 2018, 03:00 PM

ulsterman

Ford dealer called. "One on the lot in Safety Yellow!". Dealer is fixing the power steering problem. They sent a 2017 with 9,500 on the clock to the house. Dark red. Nice.

September 17, 2018, 05:01 PM

c1steve

As to diesels, for replacing the high pressure fuel pump Fords usually require removing the cab off of the frame. Total cost is typically $8,500-$9,000. This is required if the pump goes bad or water gets into the fuel system. Sometimes pump goes bad under warranty, and dealer tries to blame the truck owner saying water was in the fuel.

For the Cummins, the high pressure fuel pump is right up front and belt driven. Probably takes 1.5 hours to remove, replace, and test drive.

September 17, 2018, 05:12 PM

trapper189

quote:
As to diesels, for replacing the high pressure fuel pump Fords usually require removing the cab off of the frame. Total cost is typically $8,500-$9,000.

I think your estimate is high. I don't believe pulling the cab is necessary on the 6.7 PowerStroke. Even if it is, pulling the cab off is relatively easy. I haven't had the pump replaced, but I did have the frame replaced. I've got quite a few pictures of all the parts being taken off my old frame and being put on a new frame. As I recall, it was about 5 hours to remove and replace the cab.

I'll admit I'm envious everytime I see the side storage compartments the bed has on the Ram.

September 17, 2018, 05:37 PM

Expert308

I drove a `97 diesel F250 for 20 years and 287K miles before a friend borrowed it and proceeded to total it. Lot of changes in trucks in that time. I was in the Dodge dealer a couple months ago getting something taken care of, and the guy showed me a new Ram. Holy crap, the gadgets that thing had in it! I don't suppose Ram has the corner on gadgets, but that was a VERY nice truck. I've always been a Ford truck guy, but I'd take a hard look at a Ram now if I was in the market.

September 17, 2018, 07:29 PM

hrcjon

What a funny thread. In any case I have had a diesel Ford F250/350 since 1994. In fact many of them as I always have two or three of them at the same time for my farm. IN addition I've had a few of the Toyotas. I can't imagine at this point ANYONE actually buying a new diesel. Its silly. Unless your job is to tow max GVWR cross country every day you are just pissing money away. The EPA has killed modern 1t truck diesels. First they cost a bunch more. 9K if a ford. Second they require way more maintenance. Third they are not as reliable anymore as the gas engines. Fourth the people to fix them are rare and hard to find, and at least in my area they charge extra. Fifth the problems they have are hard to solve.
You will simply not get your money back. I made a lot of money driving 7.3's back in the day. The motor was a modest upgrade (about 3K), the fuel mileage while towing was 30% better and they lasted forever. My last 7.3 went nearly 400K before the rest of the truck collapsed around it. The breakeven on those trucks was 100K. You can't even calculate a breakeven these days.
Recently I've bought new trucks. 2018. I researched all the brands and the best of the bunch is still the F series. I'm pretty happy with towing at max GVWR with a gas engine. Yes its not as good as with a diesel but I sleep better at night knowing that the problems of the 6.0 ford are not stalking me.
Based on everything I know, if you absolutely want a diesel (and I can't think of a single reason why!) you want the cummings in a dodge. You get the best motor surrounded by a crappy truck, but the other way around is worse.
For me if I needed a full size but no serious towing I'd get a Tacoma. If you tow seriously you need a superduty.

September 18, 2018, 10:36 PM

ulsterman

quote:
Originally posted by hrcjon:
What a funny thread. In any case I have had a diesel Ford F250/350 since 1994. In fact many of them as I always have two or three of them at the same time for my farm. IN addition I've had a few of the Toyotas. I can't imagine at this point ANYONE actually buying a new diesel. Its silly. Unless your job is to tow max GVWR cross country every day you are just pissing money away. The EPA has killed modern 1t truck diesels. First they cost a bunch more. 9K if a ford. Second they require way more maintenance. Third they are not as reliable anymore as the gas engines. Fourth the people to fix them are rare and hard to find, and at least in my area they charge extra. Fifth the problems they have are hard to solve.
You will simply not get your money back. I made a lot of money driving 7.3's back in the day. The motor was a modest upgrade (about 3K), the fuel mileage while towing was 30% better and they lasted forever. My last 7.3 went nearly 400K before the rest of the truck collapsed around it. The breakeven on those trucks was 100K. You can't even calculate a breakeven these days.
Recently I've bought new trucks. 2018. I researched all the brands and the best of the bunch is still the F series. I'm pretty happy with towing at max GVWR with a gas engine. Yes its not as good as with a diesel but I sleep better at night knowing that the problems of the 6.0 ford are not stalking me.
Based on everything I know, if you absolutely want a diesel (and I can't think of a single reason why!) you want the cummings in a dodge. You get the best motor surrounded by a crappy truck, but the other way around is worse.
For me if I needed a full size but no serious towing I'd get a Tacoma. If you tow seriously you need a superduty.

Gotta disagree with about everything you posted.

September 19, 2018, 06:05 AM

V-Tail

quote:
Originally posted by hrcjon:

if I needed a full size . . . I'd get a Tacoma.

The single most important criterion in a vehicle for me is leg room in the driver's seat. If I can not sit comfortably, there is no point in even looking at a vehicle's other attributes. If it won't accommodate my extra-long legs, that's a deal killer.

That said, I don't see how you can call the Tacoma a full size truck. Given their great reputation for longevity, and their resale value, I tried one and did the "seat test." With the seat all the way back and the steering wheel adjusted to its best clearance position, my knees still hit the steering wheel. Big contrast with a "real" full size truck. One of our SIGforum members stopped by the other day with his new F-150. The long range of seat travel, and the electrically adjustable pedal cluster, gave me really comfortable stretch-out room, with plenty of accommodation for my legs.

September 25, 2018, 05:47 PM

ulsterman

Sales manager came out to return my truck and pick up the loaner. Saw the 5th wheel and wanted to buy it. Made a nice deal.

September 25, 2018, 06:37 PM

trapper189

Sweet. So, since you sold the 5th wheel, do you still need a 3/4, 1 ton?

September 25, 2018, 06:47 PM

hrcjon

quote:
Gotta disagree with about everything you posted.

Fair enough. I guess that means you don't have any experience with Ford diesel trucks. I'm a ford guy I still have 3 F350's right now, but I'd never own a diesel one as long as the EPA rules are the same. But OK sounds like your situation is all fine. Good luck.

September 25, 2018, 06:55 PM

.38supersig

Dang! The other truck had to have magnets in it with luck like that. Glad to hear you are happy with your new ride.

Not sure if you need a CDL, but you could use one of these:

At least you won't hear anyone ask "Where did we park?"

September 26, 2018, 08:09 AM

Sock Eating Golden

Anyone have experience with the Nissan Titan XD? I've always loved the Nissan vehicles I drove. I heard the diesel XD model is equivalent to a 3/4 ton truck. One of these days it will be my turn for the new vehicle, instead of catching the wife's hand-me-down.