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California’s War on Guns Broadens to a War on Ammunition
December 16, 2017, 03:23 PM
ScoutmasterCalifornia’s War on Guns Broadens to a War on Ammunition
quote:
Originally posted by sigcrazy7:
They probably won’t go after the average Joe, but the gun grabbers like this legislation for the simple reason that it will stop all online sellers from shipping to California. That is the real goal here.
Not to quibble, I think the real goal here is for the gov't to gain more power for themselves, in the name of taking care of the people.
Some years ago state and local officials did a banzai on an ammo dealer in Santa Clara County (CA, Silicon Valley), confiscated enough ammo to "kill everyone east of the Mississippi River", per the local paper. Months later, after it was determined that no laws were broken, all customs/import stuff was kosher, the gov't offered to give "most" of the ammo back if the now defunct business would promise to not sue.
"Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it"
- Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 December 16, 2017, 06:14 PM
rburgScoutmaster and other potential refugees need to understand the distrust they will face when they escape. If your vehicle has Kali plates, you will experience instate hatred. Its caused by those who come to bring what they left to the new colony. A Texas theme is we don't care where you came from, just don't try to tell us how you used to do it.
Or the now hopeless theme of "don't Kalifornicate Colorado." To late, its already fucked over. But don't expect welcoming arms.
Unhappy ammo seeker
December 16, 2017, 06:35 PM
bobtheelfquote:
Originally posted by rburg:
Scoutmaster and other potential refugees need to understand the distrust they will face when they escape. If your vehicle has Kali plates, you will experience instate hatred. Its caused by those who come to bring what they left to the new colony. A Texas theme is we don't care where you came from, just don't try to tell us how you used to do it.
Or the now hopeless theme of "don't Kalifornicate Colorado." To late, its already fucked over. But don't expect welcoming arms.
Slap one of these on your car first and you'll be fine:
Tape it inside the window if you don't want it permanently affixed.
December 16, 2017, 06:47 PM
Bytesquote:
Originally posted by rburg:
Scoutmaster and other potential refugees need to understand the distrust they will face when they escape. If your vehicle has Kali plates, you will experience instate hatred. Its caused by those who come to bring what they left to the new colony. A Texas theme is we don't care where you came from, just don't try to tell us how you used to do it.
Or the now hopeless theme of "don't Kalifornicate Colorado." To late, its already fucked over. But don't expect welcoming arms.
There's a lot of truth in that. I'll give the Kali refugee a chance but my first inclination is that they are trying to bring the same crap they're running from to my town.
December 16, 2017, 09:58 PM
sigcrazy7quote:
Originally posted by Scoutmaster:
quote:
Originally posted by sigcrazy7:
They probably won’t go after the average Joe, but the gun grabbers like this legislation for the simple reason that it will stop all online sellers from shipping to California. That is the real goal here.
Not to quibble, I think the real goal here is for the gov't to gain more power for themselves, in the name of taking care of the people.
Some years ago state and local officials did a banzai on an ammo dealer in Santa Clara County (CA, Silicon Valley), confiscated enough ammo to "kill everyone east of the Mississippi River", per the local paper. Months later, after it was determined that no laws were broken, all customs/import stuff was kosher, the gov't offered to give "most" of the ammo back if the now defunct business would promise to not sue.
I guess my point was this: Even if they don’t enforce this at all, the gun ban crowd will consider it a win because all those legal mail order businesses will cease shipping to CA. Less ammunition will be available without CA spending a dime on enforcement, and they see this as a win.
Scoutmaster, you’re moving to Utah anyway when you’ve had enough, right? Utah is full of “good” California expats.
Demand not that events should happen as you wish; but wish them to happen as they do happen, and you will go on well. -Epictetus December 16, 2017, 10:51 PM
Scoutmasterquote:
Originally posted by sigcrazy7:....Scoutmaster, you’re moving to Utah anyway when you’ve had enough, right? Utah is full of “good” California expats.
IIRC the Univ of Utah was the first public univ in the US to formally approve CCWs carrying on campus. The then pres was Bernie Machen who rejected such, the Utah legislature told Machen to stuff it, Machen left.
(I don't know if technically I will be a CA expat, I grew up looking at Grandeur Peak and Mt Olympus out of my front window. When I got married, our first home was ~20 minutes, door to door, from Snowbird. And as I type this, I am getting more antsy to get back home.)
"Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it"
- Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 December 16, 2017, 10:55 PM
TommydoggWill California have an approved ammo list that has to be renewed every year?
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December 16, 2017, 10:56 PM
Scoutmasterquote:
Originally posted by Tommydogg:
Will California have an approved ammo list that has to be renewed every year?
Don't give them any ideas.
(That's probably on next year's legislative calendar).
"Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it"
- Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 December 16, 2017, 11:10 PM
oddballquote:
Originally posted by Scoutmaster:
quote:
Originally posted by Tommydogg:
Will California have an approved ammo list that has to be renewed every year?
Don't give them any ideas.
(That's probably on next year's legislative calendar).
You're being too kind.
Here is the next governor of CA (after the election in Nov. 2018), posted a couple of days ago:
Mark my words, CA will go after semi-autos, ppt purchases, and lots more that have nothing to do with firearms.
Ammo is small potatoes.
"I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965
December 16, 2017, 11:22 PM
Scoutmasterquote:
Originally posted by oddball:....
Here is the next governor of CA (after the election in Nov. 2018), posted a couple of days ago:
Mark my words, CA will go after semi-autos, ppt purchases, and lots more that have nothing to do with firearms.
Ammo is small potatoes.
Any more of this my head will explode.
(well, too late)
"Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it"
- Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 December 18, 2017, 07:23 AM
OzarkwoodsJust another reason not to visit California in my motorhome, I think at last count I am a little over on round count.
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December 18, 2017, 08:44 AM
IndianaBoyquote:
Originally posted by RichardC:
quote:
Originally posted by Micropterus:
I don't understand why gun and ammunition manufacturers don't refuse sales to the state agencies of California. When the California politicians can't arm their body guards and cops, maybe they would change their tune.
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But, seriously, if all American ammo companies stopped, they'd just buy from furriners. Right?
They would probably import it from Aguila in Mexico.
The irony is not lost on me.