California’s War on Guns Broadens to a War on Ammunition

December 13, 2017, 06:49 PM

Burden of proof is on the state. Of course the cost of forcing the state to meet that burden falls on the accused. There have long been rumors of CA agents noting license plates at NV gun shows and calling in certain plates to be pulled over as they re-enter CA. The end goal is a ban on guns and ammo but they'll settle for making it such a hassle that people move or quit shooting for now.

December 13, 2017, 07:09 PM

Elk Hunter

quote:
Originally posted by c1steve:
I am behind enemy lines. The state Dem lawmakers are like Nazis, slowly taking away our ability to defend ourselves. They will take and take, until Trump and the future supreme court gives us our rights back. Everyday I hope is the day Ginsburg passes away, and the supremes start ruling in our favor.

The people voting for the Democrat nazis are stupid and naive.

Seems to me that with the "election" in AL, that it will very tough for Trump to get any reasonably conservative judges appointed. Let alone one to the SCOTUS.

51-49 senate count, and add all the swamp creatures like McLame and his consorts and nothing even resembling a constitutional scholar will get to the SCOTUS, or any of the lower court judgeships, either.

Elk

There has never been an occasion where a people gave up their weapons in the interest of peace that didn't end in their massacre. (Louis L'Amour)

"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical. "
-Thomas Jefferson

"America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great." Alexis de Tocqueville

FBHO!!!

The Idaho Elk Hunter

December 13, 2017, 07:11 PM

Elk Hunter

quote:
Originally posted by ugeesta:
Okay? So, how exactly does Johnny Lawmaker determine what box of ammo was purchased pre 2018 and Post 2017 from a trip east to a free state? Will you be required to show proof of purchase with model and lot number of the ammo when entering a shooting range?

Seems like a whole lot of stupid in that bill.

I well remember crossing the borders into Kalifornistan more than 25 years ago. We were stopped at the border and the car searched for "illegal" stuff. Like fruit. Why would they not do the same for that really dangerous like ammo?

And, as others have already said, how the hell would they know where the ammo was bought?

Oh! Oh! I know, they will require any/all ammo bought in, or imported in to kalifornistan to have place of origin on the boxes, if not serial numbers on the rounds!

December 13, 2017, 07:18 PM

Russ59

I'll be in UT at the first of the year. I'm tempted to buy in bulk and take my chances in Truckee. They've always asked about fruit, but not ammo.

This is a silly, feel good, do nothing law. I still have to get my head wrapped around what changes I need to make to my Sig516 in order to look different, but operate the same.

December 13, 2017, 07:32 PM

DukeMinski

What about gifts?
Let's say I want to give my dear old friend C1STEVE a birthday (or Christmas, or Hanukkah, or Kwanzaa) present and I bring him a case of ammo, nicely wrapped with a big pretty bow on top.
Is that legal?

December 13, 2017, 07:36 PM

icom706

quote:
Originally posted by Gustofer:
So, how do you stop an out of control government?

The tree of liberty can only be refreshed by blood.

To paraphrase President Jefferson, sort of.

-.-. --.- -.-. --.- -.-. --.- -.-. --.-
It only stands to reason that where there's sacrifice, there's someone collecting the sacrificial offerings. Where there's service, there is someone being served. The man who speaks to you of sacrifice is speaking of slaves and masters, and intends to be the master.

Ayn Rand

"He gains votes ever and anew by taking money from everybody and giving it to a few, while explaining that every penny was extracted from the few to be giving to the many."

Ogden Nash from his poem - The Politician

December 13, 2017, 07:44 PM

VBVAGUY

How will this affect LEO's and the Military ? Stupid law stupid law makers !!! God Bless

December 13, 2017, 07:47 PM

NK402

I'm in Virginia and bought two boxes of shotgun shells today at a Walmart. The checkout girl asked for my birthdate. Well, I've gotten used to this buying cigars at various places. I usually give them a date just old enough to buy cigars but somewhat short of my 70 plus years, just to see if they're paying attention. So I said something about how ammo was now being treated like alcohol and tobacco. She said, no, they didn't ask on alcohol or tobacco, just ammo. She went on to say, that they only ask on on alcohol and tobacco, if the customer looks younger than 40 but they have to ask everyone on ammo. Interestingly, the day before, I had bought ammo at a different Walmart and paid at the sporting goods counter. No one asked me anything.

December 13, 2017, 08:48 PM

Snapping Twig

IIRC, July 1, 2018 we will need a background check - just like a firearm - to purchase ammo.

Can't infringe on gun rights? Easy answer - take the ammo.

Shall not be infringed!

Ammo is part of a firearm, so I'm waiting for some attorneys to point this salient fact out to the tyrants in charge of this State.

I just used up a significant portion of my retirement funds on 22LR and 9mm, both of which I do not reload for.

Got a shitload of lead for the casting and much powder & primers, so good to go there.

December 13, 2017, 09:31 PM

mark_a

So, who will win the turf war between the mob and the cartels once they start the war to determine who gets to smuggle ammo in?

How many law enforcement officers will resign? They after all are the tool used to create the threat of violence for non-compliance.

Hard to imagine the west used to represent independence...

December 13, 2017, 09:33 PM

radioman

If I'm just driving through, is there a "safe passage" exemption?

December 13, 2017, 09:37 PM

Spokane228

quote:
Originally posted by radioman:
If I'm just driving through, is there a "safe passage" exemption?

No.

December 13, 2017, 09:40 PM

LS1 GTO

quote:
Originally posted by radioman:
If I'm just driving through, is there a "safe passage" exemption?

Where would you be driving to - Hawaii? or from Yuma to Salem OR?

As I am in San Diego, I fully intend to do trips to Yuma for pre-loaded ammo.
And with regards to reloading, do not be surprised when you see primers become classified as military grade explosives in CA.

Also, IF there are no court ordered cancellations of said law, expect NY, NJ, and just about every other democratic controlled state to begin passing similar laws.

Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

"If dogs don't go to Heaven, I want to go where they go" Will Rogers

The definition of the words we used, carry a meaning of their own...

December 13, 2017, 09:58 PM

dave7378

quote:
Originally posted by parabellum:
Bad laws should be ignored.

Yep, smartly.

December 13, 2017, 10:06 PM

cas

quote:
Originally posted by dave7378:
quote:
Originally posted by parabellum:
Bad laws should be ignored.

Yep, smartly.

Unfortunately that doesn't always work out well. I have a friend who's looking at 10-15 years in prison for doing that. Sometimes life has a way of inviting "the man" into your life when you least expect it.

December 13, 2017, 10:11 PM

c1steve

quote:
Originally posted by DukeMinski:
What about gifts?
Let's say I want to give my dear old friend C1STEVE a birthday (or Christmas, or Hanukkah, or Kwanzaa) present and I bring him a case of ammo, nicely wrapped with a big pretty bow on top.
Is that legal?

Nope, not legal. Also as mentioned in another post, MA, NY and NJ may follow.

December 13, 2017, 10:17 PM

c1steve

quote:
Originally posted by Sgt Neutron:
Questions:
1. How will the state know if it was purchased out of state?
2. Will this be similar to the ban of fireworks coming in from out of state?
3. Will this be similar to the ban of heroin from out of state? Meth?

They will only know if you get caught bringing it in. Once inside the borders it would be most hard to prove.

I am sure the CA lawmakers are planning on outlawing purchase of reloading components, but they can only steal so much of our freedom at a time.

December 13, 2017, 10:49 PM

2PAK

California is our France (or Europe)..

December 13, 2017, 10:55 PM

radioman

quote:
Originally posted by LS1 GTO:
quote:
Originally posted by radioman:
If I'm just driving through, is there a "safe passage" exemption?

Where would you be driving to - Hawaii? or from Yuma to Salem OR?

Every summer I drive to Carson City from Portland. Easiest route is via California. It's WAY out of the way to cross over the OR-NV border and go from there.

There are a couple of AWESOME ranges in the Carson City area, so I always bring my revolver and ammo.

I guess I have to re-plan.

December 13, 2017, 11:00 PM

soggy_spinout

quote:
Originally posted by NK402:
I'm in Virginia and bought two boxes of shotgun shells today at a Walmart. The checkout girl asked for my birthdate. Well, I've gotten used to this buying cigars at various places. I usually give them a date just old enough to buy cigars but somewhat short of my 70 plus years, just to see if they're paying attention. So I said something about how ammo was now being treated like alcohol and tobacco. She said, no, they didn't ask on alcohol or tobacco, just ammo. She went on to say, that they only ask on on alcohol and tobacco, if the customer looks younger than 40 but they have to ask everyone on ammo. Interestingly, the day before, I had bought ammo at a different Walmart and paid at the sporting goods counter. No one asked me anything.

I think it depends on how much of a newbie the cashier/counter person is. I've had it go both ways at Walmart as well. Also I've had it go both ways with alcohol at the nearby Costco, and there's absolutely zero chance that I look like I'm under 21.