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Originally posted by konata88:
I wonder what the demographics were behind the sign. What is ca-idiots losing that they felt compelled to put up a sign?

Not that they would admit it for an instant, but it seems obvious to me: They’re losing the responsible people who have jobs, and more important, money, and therefore who pay the taxes to support all the rest. It’s a little less clear to me why they mention Texas in particular, but perhaps it’s a start and they can’t really seem too desperate by saying, “Don’t leave and go anywhere else; we need you to pay for all our crazy programs.” Plus the billboards do double duty by including an antigun message.

Love Mr Noir's work.

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Originally posted by trapper189:

The heck is avocado toast?

Not sure, but a favorite sandwich in our house is rye or whole wheat toast with avocado, tomato, and bacon. Plenty of bacon.

Hey, I love avocado toast! I have it twice weekly. It’s supposed to be one of the most healthier breakfasts. I also eat bacon!

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Originally posted by trapper189:
The heck is avocado toast?

No need to answer. Just my way to say I watched the video. He was spot on.

Stay out of southern Indiana, too.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:

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Originally posted by konata88:
I wonder what the demographics were behind the sign. What is ca-idiots losing that they felt compelled to put up a sign?

Not that they would admit it for an instant, but it seems obvious to me: They’re losing the responsible people who have jobs, and more important, money, and therefore who pay the taxes to support all the rest. It’s a little less clear to me why they mention Texas in particular, but perhaps it’s a start and they can’t really seem too desperate by saying, “Don’t leave and go anywhere else; we need you to pay for all our crazy programs.” Plus the billboards do double duty by including an antigun message.

Agree with money. But wondering about age groups, sex, ethnicity, and politics. Seems like they might not care much, for example, if conservatives are leaving. But on the other hand rich conservatives may be a loss and indifferent if they stayed since elections generally go left anyway. It’s weird to think dems are going to tx. Why go someplace that represents everything they hate?

I feel like I need to wait another 5 years to see how things settle and where dems are landing. And cross those places off the list.

Not sure what avocado toast is either. But ironically, CA avocados aren’t really that good. Not tasty and too fibrous.

California’s latest proposal to keep people from leaving: an exit tax.

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Originally posted by konata88:
Why go someplace that represents everything they hate?

The ones I knew/know as part of my extended family moved from Massachusetts and Michigan to Florida and Alabama because they could afford nicer houses closer to the water with lower taxes and better weather. Most of them were/are liberal lunatics who couldn’t possibly admitted that part of the reason they left their states was do to the people and policies they voted for. Instead, they brought that same crap with them. Absolutely miserable people both externally and internally.

California is like Granola cereal. It's full of fruits and nuts.

I'm starting to see more and more CA plates in northern Utah. I really do wish they would repair their own back yards and stay put.

I’m sending this to my sis in Texas. Hah!

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Originally posted by konata88:
Seems like they might not care much, for example, if conservatives are leaving.

It’s just speculation, but I strongly suspect the prime, and perhaps only motivator is the loss of money. I doubt they care if there are few conservatives there because they have so little influence over anything that matters, and they’re likely to be in the monied group. And as people in many more Rightest states mention time and again, the ones moving from California usually bring leftist views with them. They’re not fleeing the ideas, they’re fleeing their consequences.

Leftists tend to not identify what causes the horrible conditions they’re fleeing, and it’s not new; it’s been true throughout their history. In fact, it was a basic tenet of Marxism/Leninism that the utopian Communist state would not come into being until human nature itself changed and led to the rise of the “new Soviet man.” Until then it was necessary to run things by a dictatorship to control the ignorant unconverted who objected to the conditions the ideological practices caused. It wasn’t that the ideology and its practices were bad, it was people who were bad.

Like self-blinded followers of other beliefs and bizarre ideologies, leftists blame everything bad on everything except the ideology itself. That’s why more and more we’re seeing our own leftists claiming that places like the Soviet Union, China, North Korea, Cuba, et al., didn’t/don’t practice “real” socialism and therefore cannot be used as examples of why we should avoid it ourselves.

“I feel like I need to wait another 5 years to see how things settle and where dems are landing. And cross those places off the list.“

The problem being that they’re moving all over the place. We even have a pantload of them in this little jerkwater town in the middle of nowhere.

^ There's really no place that hasn't been ruined, or isn't on its way. You may be able to find a spot that will last long enough to finish out your life, but it's only a matter of time.

You can't run away from trouble, there just aint no place that far.

That's what I've been thinking but haven't seen any data.

I guess one thing that's curious to me is jobs. If these people work for corporations, it seems challenging to just move unless they change jobs.

Where are all these jobs? Are they changing careers? Becoming entrepreneurs? How are they so employable? Who's hiring them at the risk of going woke and broke?

Despite wealth, I'm thinking most of these people are not really very competent. Not in my experience. they get wealthy because stock in their company went up. Or because they bought RE early. Or they invested in equities and got lucky. But largely, their wealth isn't derived from their competency.

How are all these people getting jobs?

I despair that I've missed the chance to experience living in a free country and the best I can hope for is that my mostly red county someday becomes beachfront.

I guess retirement may offer more flexibility but seems like that gets narrower each year as well.

^^ As you know, a lot of the movement is from retirees. Especially, it seems, retirees from state and local government jobs.

Another part of it is the degree to which a lot of work has gone online - if you remember the kerfuffle about COVID driving people to work at home, the next step was silicon bosses bitching about people moving to lower-tax, lower-cost-of-living states but still expecting a Bay Area paycheck.

I suspect from talking to some of the people who've moved here that they discovered that a nest egg in California is actually a nest egg and working capital in other states.

It would be a lot of fun to run a survey just to see what people did about earning a living when they moved out of California.

I'm also kind of curious as to whether 'exit taxes' would withstand court challenges over time if multiple people challenged them. If they moved all of their assets out of California, California might have a hard time (as a practical matter rather than a legal matter) getting local courts to enforce a California judgement. The funny part is that an 'exit tax' would also drive Californians to invest in other states on the theory that its not taxable in California once the taxpayer is no longer in California, nor are the assest located in California to be seized under a court judgement, plus that it would difficult for California to find what assets they are or where they're located.

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Originally posted by tigereye313:
Love Mr Noir's work.

As do I!

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How are all these people getting jobs?

Didn’t you get the memo? Jobs are for suckers.

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Originally posted by oddball:
Except for Sigforum members

I think you fit into the 'long suffering normal Californians' definition. I was very pleased when you escaped.