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Doesn’t the law of the land dictate the applicable laws?

If in the Virgin Islands, why would where the children live matter, what law am I missing?
If the children traveled to Epstein Island under their own free will and with parental consent (not kidnapped), it seems all may have been legal.

Universal Citation: V.I. Code tit. 14, § 1708 (2019)
(a) A person who engages in sexual contact with a person—

(1) when force or coercion is used to accomplish the sexual contact;
(2) when the other person is under thirteen years of age;
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I think this is where we are at.
Politicians and the well-to-do who went to Epstein Island, knew the age of consent was 13.

First question to Slick Willy needs to be “Is it legal to have sex with a 13 year old in the Virgin Islands?”.

Answer seems to be “yes”.
I would like to hear him and his fellow travelers state that.
Then the next question would be, “Why would you know that?”.



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Doesn’t the law of the land dictate the applicable laws?

If in the Virgin Islands, why would where they live matter, what law am I missing?



Intent matters, and it's not just the laws of that location that would apply in that instance.

Let's say you had a family on vacation from California with a 15 year old daughter. While on vacation she hooks up with another tourist. No laws broken.

Let's say you take that same 15 year old from California, and take her to the Virgin Islands for the express intent of sexual acts. That's a different animal:

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Transportation Of Minors (18 U.S.C. 2423)

Section 2423(a) of Title 18 prohibits anyone from transporting any individual under the age of 18 years in interstate or foreign commerce with the intent that the minor engage in prostitution or any criminal sexual activity. It imposes a maximum 15 years' imprisonment and/or a fine under Title 18.

Section 2423(b) prohibits anyone from traveling, or conspiring to do so, in interstate or foreign commerce for the purpose of engaging in any sexual act, as defined in Section 2246, with a person under 18 that would be a violation of chapter 109A if the sexual act occurred in the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States. The penalty under this section is imprisonment for a maximum of 15 years and/or a fine.

Note that Section 2423(b) has been used in prosecutions for interstate travel with the intent to have sex with minors, some of whom were contacted through computer on-line services. Moreover, Section 2423(b) should be used for international sex tourism cases as well.


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Originally posted by kimber1911:
Doesn’t the law of the land dictate the applicable laws?

If in the Virgin Islands, why would where they live matter, what law am I missing?

Universal Citation: V.I. Code tit. 14, § 1708 (2019)
(a) A person who engages in sexual contact with a person—

(1) when force or coercion is used to accomplish the sexual contact;
(2) when the other person is under thirteen years of age;

I think this is where we are at.
Politicians and the well-to-do who went to Epstein Island, knew the age of consent was 13.

First question to Slick Willy needs to be “Is it legal to have sex with a 13 year old in the Virgin Islands?”.
Nope. The US instituted "sex tourism" and "sex trafficking" laws.
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18 U.S. Code § 2423 - Transportation of minors

(a) Transportation With Intent To Engage in Criminal Sexual Activity.—
A person who knowingly transports an individual who has not attained the age of 18 years in interstate or foreign commerce, or in any commonwealth, territory or possession of the United States, with intent that the individual engage in prostitution, or in any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense, shall be fined under this title and imprisoned not less than 10 years or for life.
(b) Travel With Intent To Engage in Illicit Sexual Conduct.—
A person who travels in interstate commerce or travels into the United States, or a United States citizen or an alien admitted for permanent residence in the United States who travels in foreign commerce, with a motivating purpose of engaging in any illicit sexual conduct with another person shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 30 years, or both.
(c) Engaging in Illicit Sexual Conduct in Foreign Places.—
Any United States citizen or alien admitted for permanent residence who travels in foreign commerce or resides, either temporarily or permanently, in a foreign country, and engages in any illicit sexual conduct with another person shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 30 years, or both.
(d) Ancillary Offenses.—
Whoever, for the purpose of commercial advantage or private financial gain, arranges, induces, procures, or facilitates the travel of a person knowing that such a person is traveling in interstate commerce or foreign commerce with a motivating purpose of engaging in illicit sexual conduct shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 30 years, or both.
(e) Attempt and Conspiracy.—
Whoever attempts or conspires to violate subsection (a), (b), (c), or (d) shall be punishable in the same manner as a completed violation of that subsection.
(f) Definition.—As used in this section, the term “illicit sexual conduct” means—
(1) a sexual act (as defined in section 2246) with a person under 18 years of age that would be in violation of chapter 109A if the sexual act occurred in the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States;
(2) any commercial sex act (as defined in section 1591) with a person under 18 years of age ; or
(3) production of child pornography (as defined in section 2256(8)).
(g) Defense.—
In a prosecution under this section based on illicit sexual conduct as defined in subsection (f)(2), it is a defense, which the defendant must establish by clear and convincing evidence, that the defendant reasonably believed that the person with whom the defendant engaged in the commercial sex act had attained the age of 18 years.
Based on what I've read from some of the posted depositions, could probably get some of them on Section C of 1591 too
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18 U.S. Code § 1591 - Sex trafficking of children or by force, fraud, or coercion

(a) Whoever knowingly—
(1) in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, or within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States, recruits, entices, harbors, transports, provides, obtains, advertises, maintains, patronizes, or solicits by any means a person; or
(2) benefits, financially or by receiving anything of value, from participation in a venture which has engaged in an act described in violation of paragraph (1),
knowing, or, except where the act constituting the violation of paragraph (1) is advertising, in reckless disregard of the fact, that means of force, threats of force, fraud, coercion described in subsection (e)(2), or any combination of such means will be used to cause the person to engage in a commercial sex act, or that the person has not attained the age of 18 years and will be caused to engage in a commercial sex act, shall be punished as provided in subsection (b).
(b) The punishment for an offense under subsection (a) is—
(1) if the offense was effected by means of force, threats of force, fraud, or coercion described in subsection (e)(2), or by any combination of such means, or if the person recruited, enticed, harbored, transported, provided, obtained, advertised, patronized, or solicited had not attained the age of 14 years at the time of such offense, by a fine under this title and imprisonment for any term of years not less than 15 or for life; or
(2) if the offense was not so effected, and the person recruited, enticed, harbored, transported, provided, obtained, advertised, patronized, or solicited had attained the age of 14 years but had not attained the age of 18 years at the time of such offense, by a fine under this title and imprisonment for not less than 10 years or for life.
(c) In a prosecution under subsection (a)(1) in which the defendant had a reasonable opportunity to observe the person so recruited, enticed, harbored, transported, provided, obtained, maintained, patronized, or solicited, the Government need not prove that the defendant knew, or recklessly disregarded the fact, that the person had not attained the age of 18 years .
(d) Whoever obstructs, attempts to obstruct, or in any way interferes with or prevents the enforcement of this section, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned for a term not to exceed 25 years, or both.
(e) In this section:
(1) The term “abuse or threatened abuse of law or legal process” means the use or threatened use of a law or legal process, whether administrative, civil, or criminal, in any manner or for any purpose for which the law was not designed, in order to exert pressure on another person to cause that person to take some action or refrain from taking some action.
(2) The term “coercion” means—
(A) threats of serious harm to or physical restraint against any person;
(B) any scheme, plan, or pattern intended to cause a person to believe that failure to perform an act would result in serious harm to or physical restraint against any person; or
(C) the abuse or threatened abuse of law or the legal process.
(3) The term “commercial sex act” means any sex act, on account of which anything of value is given to or received by any person.
(4) The term “participation in a venture” means knowingly assisting, supporting, or facilitating a violation of subsection (a)(1).
(5) The term “serious harm” means any harm, whether physical or nonphysical, including psychological, financial, or reputational harm, that is sufficiently serious, under all the surrounding circumstances, to compel a reasonable person of the same background and in the same circumstances to perform or to continue performing commercial sexual activity in order to avoid incurring that harm.
(6) The term “venture” means any group of two or more individuals associated in fact, whether or not a legal entity.



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TMK, I think statutory rape, at least below a certain age, is a felony, no matter where the US citizen engages in it.
 
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