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Originally posted by Fenris:
Four months isn't nothing. But I wish it were longer. Perhaps making it a Federal crime with serious time is in order.

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Yeah, fellas, four months in prison is a piece of cake. You bet. Roll Eyes

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Originally posted by 41:

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Yeah, fellas, four months in prison is a piece of cake. You bet. Roll Eyes

Bubba likes variety.

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Originally posted by 41:

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Yeah, fellas, four months in prison is a piece of cake. You bet. Roll Eyes

Bubba likes variety.

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:
I have to wonder, those involved with voter fraud, do they believe the ends justify the means?? That their dishonesty will serve the greater good?? Or is their dishonesty an effort to gain power, and money that usually attends power?

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Originally posted by stoic-one:

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Originally posted by parabellum:
He was sentenced to the maximum for his crime. Would you rather he received only probation? He got the maximum allowable.

This.

He submitted falsified registrations, they never even got to the point where false votes were cast. Those two are not equal, even though one is required before the other...

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:
I have to wonder, those involved with voter fraud, do they believe the ends justify the means?? That their dishonesty will serve the greater good?? Or is their dishonesty an effort to gain power, and money that usually attends power?

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Originally posted by cmr076:
isnt this tantamount to treason? Intentionally trying to change the results of a presidential election?

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Mark Levin said it well when he stated that conservatives believe there are moral absolutes, while liberals believe in situational ethics. In their world, the end does justify the means. This is a common theme among totalitarians.

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Originally posted by Mars_Attacks:
It's a felony, right?

Ironic he will never vote again.

Legally.

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Originally posted by TigerDore:
Waiting for the day a Democrat begins to argue that the dead still have a constitutional right to vote. No, not kidding. They slipped beyond the absurd some time ago.

They do in Chicago. They even got Kennedy elected.



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Did Votes By Noncitizens Cost Trump The 2016 Popular Vote? Sure Looks That Way

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6/22/2017

Election 2016: Late in 2016, we created a stir by suggesting that Donald Trump was likely right when he claimed that millions of noncitizens had illegally voted in the U.S. election. Now, a study by a New Jersey think tank provides new evidence that that's what happened.

Last November, just weeks after his Electoral College win that gave him the presidency, then President-elect Donald Trump tweeted, "In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally."

The reaction was angry and swift, with the left accusing him of being an "internet troll" and of hatching a "Twitter-born conspiracy theory."

At the time, we noted that a group called True The Vote, an online anti-voter-fraud website, had claimed that illegals had cast three million votes last year. The media and left-wing groups immediately portrayed True The Vote as a fringe group with little credibility.

The only problem is, a study in 2014 in the online Electoral Studies Journal made a quite similar claim: In the 2008 and 2010 elections, they said, as many as 2.8 million illegal noncitizen votes were cast, "enough to change meaningful election outcomes including Electoral College votes and congressional elections," said the study, authored by Jesse T. Richman and Gushan A. Chattha, both of Old Dominion University, and David C. Earnest of George Mason University.

The bombshell was this: "Noncitizen votes likely gave Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress."

It got little coverage in the mainstream media, and what coverage it did get was almost entirely dismissive.

Now comes a new study by Just Facts, a libertarian/conservative think tank, that used data from a large Harvard/You.Gov study that every two years samples tens of thousands of voters, including some who admit they are noncitizens and thus can't vote legally.

The findings are eye-opening. In 2008, as many as 5.7 million noncitizens voted in the election. In 2012, as many as 3.6 million voted, the study said.

In 2016, the U.S. Census Bureau estimates that there were 21.0 million adult noncitizens in the U.S., up from 19.4 million in 2008. It is therefore highly likely that millions of noncitizens cast votes in 2016.

And it was no accident. Democrats had extensive get-out-the-vote campaigns in areas heavily populated by illegal aliens. As far back as 2008, Obama made sure that those who wanted to vote knew it was safe, announcing that election records would not be cross-checked with immigration databases.

And last year, the Obama White House supported a court injunction that kept Kansas, Alabama and Georgia from requiring proof of citizenship to register to vote. The message was sent, loud and clear: If you're a noncitizen or here illegally, don't be afraid. You're free to vote. No one will stop you.

We don't know the exact number of illegal votes. No one does. But the data that are available suggest that the number of illegal votes was substantial — probably in the millions, as Trump said — and likely had a significant impact on the election's outcome.

Even Democrats should find this troubling; every vote cast by a noncitizen voter negates the vote of a citizen voter. It's that simple. It's time the Democratic Party started living up to its name and stop encouraging noncitizens and illegal aliens to vote in our election.

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