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Down the Rabbit Hole
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What the hell is going on with Ruger and Beretta?


Beretta Holding and Ruger Agree to Partnership

https://www.americanrifleman.o...gree-to-partnership/


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Posts: 5536 | Location: North Mississippi | Registered: August 09, 2002Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Ruger is a $600 million company. Turns out if you have a spare $150 mil you can just buy a quarter of it and start making a few demands on the board of directors and strategy. Maybe we should have started the Sigforum group buy retirement program a few years ago




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Posts: 2317 | Location: Texan on the north side of the Red River | Registered: November 05, 2003Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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I'm guessing Beretta will be in full control in the next several years. I don't know much about their more recent firearms. I haven't purchased one in at least 15 years. Would Beretta taking over Ruger be a good thing? How is the quality of Ruger firearms these days?


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Posts: 5536 | Location: North Mississippi | Registered: August 09, 2002Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Ruger's quality has remained excellent for the most part, and their sales have been strong. They have even expanded recently with some acquisitions, like Marlin and Anderson. So it's not a matter of a better company swooping in to rescue a failing company.
 
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Originally posted by RogueJSK:
So it's not a matter of a better company swooping in to rescue a failing company.
Agreed. If Beretta wanted to purchase a failing company with horrible QC then they'd purchase somebody like Remington.

I'm still not seeing the synergy part that Beretta sees with Ruger though. Beretta already has a manufacturing plant in Gallatin, TN, so if it was 992r compliance from something made in Italy then they could shift it to being manufactured in TN without needing Ruger.

EDIT: Thanks to the help of Gemini AI, I might have found Beretta's angle:
  • Windfall tax proposals in Italy targeting defense sector. Not passed yet.
  • Italy doubled it's financial transaction tax for 2026 from 0.2% to 0.4% for every single financial transaction.
  • In 2024, Italy implemented a Global minimum tax. Having more complex global holdings (e.g. 25% stake in Ruger) reduces the impact of this.
  • In 2026, Italy tightened the rules for tax free earnings on investments and purchasing 25% of Ruger keeps them eligible for maximum tax exemption.
  • Italy changed their amortization schedule for domestic manufacturing tax write downs (i.e. Italy just made it less attractive to invest in Italian manufacturing).
  • After all of the negative changes, Italy did something helpful in the tax code and reduced administrative headache in foreign ownership and provided retroactive tax relief at 15% tax rate back to 1/1/24.

    I just kept asking Gemini questions based on the premise that "money drives behavior so follow the money" to find the reason someone is behaving they way they are. Finally, got some hits when I asked about changes in Italy's tax code.

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    Posts: 25500 | Location: Northern Suburbs of Houston | Registered: November 14, 2005Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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    Yes, per the most recent contract, Ruger has two years to make moves before Beretta can fully take over, but if nothing changes, Ruger will likely be absorbed. Perhaps Beretta will have problems and have to liquidate. That's a possibility too.
     
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    quote:
    Originally posted by tatortodd:
    If Beretta wanted to purchase a failing company with horrible QC then they'd purchase somebody like Remington


    Or Smith & Wesson




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    Posts: 12302 | Location: Eagle River, AK | Registered: September 12, 2006Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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    As a (minor/miniscule) Ruger shareholder I see no downside in voting for Beretta's BoD nominees. I have not exactly been thrilled with Ruger's financial performance over the past several years, but I remain a fan of their products. I like Berettas too, and consider them more of a high-end brand.

    Ruger's share price is not exactly jumping as this, maybe I'm alone in the wilderness, but I don't feel an urge to sell out at the moment, nor am I expecting a windfall. If B. can fine tune the R. product line, while keeping its value (not letting prices get out of control), I'd be fine with that.
     
    Posts: 7910 | Location: NoVA | Registered: July 22, 2009Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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    Ruger may not exactly be a failing company, but their annual sales are over $500 million and they’re losing money. The stock has been ugly for the last five years, steadily dropping from the 80’s to the 30’s.

    Beretta is not publicly traded, at least not here, so it’s not so easy to see how they’re doing. But if I were a Ruger stockholder, I wouldn’t complain about Beretta’s interest.
     
    Posts: 3820 | Location: Baton Rouge, Louisiana | Registered: June 20, 2006Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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    I think a company with over 500 years in the gun business is going to be just fine in driving Ruger.


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    I like ravioli…
     
    Posts: 3267 | Location: Manheim, PA | Registered: September 04, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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    I like Beretta as a company, and obviously they already have a slew of name brands under it's umbrella, but I am curious as to what they are seeking to get out of this "partnership".

    What exactly does Ruger have (technology, market share, etc.) that Beretta doesn't already?
     
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    quote:
    Originally posted by darkest2000:

    What exactly does Ruger have (technology, market share, etc.) that Beretta doesn't already?


    That's exactly what I was wondering.



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    Posts: 5524 | Location: Lake of the Ozarks, MO. | Registered: September 05, 2005Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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    Ruger is the largest manufacturer of investment castings in the firearms industry. If Beretta acquires Ruger, it will be able to use the technology for its own manufacturer group and could dominate the North American gun manufacturers who rely on Ruger castings.
     
    Posts: 3811 | Location: Switzerland | Registered: January 24, 2001Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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    Ruger laid-off 90 people here in NH back in February and they are preparing for another round of lay-off's this month. If I recall, they also had lay-off's in 2024 and 2025.

    Beretta is currently expanding their pistol engineering Program and Team in MD.
     
    Posts: 5293 | Location: NH | Registered: April 20, 2010Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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    Ruger also bought the Anderson facility in Kentucky not long ago. Presumably, that's a capacity increase in the works.

    I'm not sure how that plays into the Beretta situation, but from my comfy spot on the couch I don't yet see this as a bad thing for either Ruger or Beretta. A huge capacity increase, if coupled with consistent product quality, could result in a "bigger gorilla."

    But I'm a longtime Ruger fan, so maybe that's just me being optimistic.




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    Posts: 15964 | Location: VA | Registered: July 15, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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    Regarding the Hebron, KY facility: I read in the latest issue of Guns & Ammo that the facility is being used to produce Ruger’s new Harrier rifle.

    - - - -

    Beyond that, I found another article on the Beretta/Ruger mashup at the New Hampshire Union Leader.

    Here’s something I didn’t know:
    quote:
    "Mayodan is officially the location of our corporate headquarters as of the first of the year," Ruger spokesman Ron Werkmeister said Wednesday to the News & Record.




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