I am really wondering. With all these incidents of Antifa whackos attacking people, how have they been so lucky as to not lose a protester to some one who feels like their life is in danger? If someone is minding their own business and winds up in the middle of a violent mob, panic may ensue. We have examples of people getting hit with bicycle locks, metal and wood poles,
and many other objects by protesters. I am surprised a frightened citizen hasn’t felt their life in danger in this instance, and fearing for their life when out numbered and attacked. The instinct for self preservation may cause a shooting. It would be difficult to counter that in court wouldn’t it?

I don't carry enough firepower to enter an area with a protest going on. Get me an uparmored MRAP with 20mm cannons on it with a crapton of ammo and two gunners, then maybe I'd enter.

Im talking about a citizen going downtown to make a purchase and turning a corner to find themselves in the middle of a mob. Not someone actively looking for trouble. It has happened to me more than once.

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I think it's simply because Antifa is smart enough not to carry their bullshit into places like Texas, Oklahoma, Montana, e.g., because they KNOW they'd get their asses shot off. They know their limitations and they're too chicken-shit to start their shenanigans in "Dave's" neighborhood. Remember him? "My name is Dave and I don't give a f**k"?? This crap happens only in those areas that are soft on 2A rights, aka, LEFT-TARD areas, and these assholes KNOW they won't encounter any pushback from 2A exercising individuals because they either don't exist or they exist in very minute numbers. That's what bullies do...

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Originally posted by erj_pilot:
I think it's simply because Antifa is smart enough not to carry their bullshit into places like Texas, Oklahoma, Montana, e.g., because they KNOW they'd get their asses shot off. They know their limitations and they're too chicken-shit to start their shenanigans in "Dave's" neighborhood. Remember him? "My name is Dave and I don't give a f**k"?? This crap happens only in those areas that are soft on 2A rights, aka, LEFT-TARD areas, and these assholes KNOW they won't encounter any pushback from 2A exercising individuals because they either don't exist or they exist in very minute numbers. That's what bullies do...

THIS^^^^^^

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The instinct for self preservation may cause a shooting.

Not only shooting, but someone with hand-to-hand combat or martial arts training to unload and snap a neck, strike to the throat, etc.

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Originally posted by mikeyspizza:

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The instinct for self preservation may cause a shooting.

Not only shooting, but someone with hand-to-hand combat or martial arts training to unload and snap a neck, strike to the throat, etc.

We can dream...

I suspect that most of this vermin have a highly developed sense of self-preservation.

At the sound of a gunshot, there would likely be nothing but assholes and elbows (of the ones who were still able).

And that most people "who can take care of themselves", can tolerate a lot if stupid before the need to take action is truly necessary. If it comes to that, you'll know.

Kinda blows all the bullshit outta their sack of "threatening and dangerous right wingers", leaving them with an empty bag of crap.



Or, as one of my favorite movie scenes puts it.

"You know this land is full of people doing wicked things to each other.

I gotta tell you something Wyatt. I told your brothers when they went off to fight, and I suppose the time has come for you. You know I'm a man that believes in the law. After your family, it's about the only thing you've got to believe in. But there are plenty of men who don't care about the law. Men who'll take part in all kinds of viciousness, and don't care who gets hurt. In fact, the more that get hurt the better. When you find yourself in a fight, with such viciousness, hit first if you can, and when you do hit, hit to kill. You'll know. Don't worry. You'll know when it comes to that.

-Nicholas Earp

Rare, but it has happened before:

https://www.oregonlive.com/por..._pulled_gun_out.html

Most people with CHLs value their freedoms enough to not engage with antifa.

Everywhere Antifa has shown up where the Rule Of Law prevails, they leave right away....after being arrested and prosecuted. They only hang out in the liberal bastions with a sympathetic progressive Prosecutor and Court system.

Their BS works in blue states well...

Most people that carry are smart enough to understand the absolute shot show that would follow a righteous shoot.

The media would do everything thing their considerable power to ruin you....think Office Wilson from the Ferguson mess.....yes he was totally exonerated but at what cost?

If I happened into that type of situation and I could unass the AO...I would

If it happened where my family were with me....different story.

But if it got to the point that it was happening like in the PNW ....IN TEXAS, then I would say we have much larger issues.

All that being said...I do pack and prepare at least mentally (hard to do "react to ambush drills" in my driveway) for that scenario.

As a separate question, does anyone recall an aricle in one of the gun rags after the LA riots where they pose the question to several gun writers "which gun would you choose if you were in a riot?"

The most memorable response was from a S African fellow who had experince in riots. He said his issue revolver...when asked why he responded and I am paraphrasing

"because riots are fun stealing, beating people up etc so when you shoot the one that looks like a leader in the head it is no longer "fun" and normally everyone goes home....if not they will just tear you to pieces and no gun will save you"

But up against that I remember a great t-shirt I bought while in 2nd ID..."happiness is a belt fed weapon"

The "handlers" behind these poor dumb brainwashed idiots are most likely hoping that there will be instances where an innocent person being beaten will shoot and kill one or more of his/her attackers. That would play right into their hands as far as justifying "the need for more gun control".
Perhaps the brainwashed antifa participants are willing to have a few "martyrs" to justify their actions. And give themselves a sense of accomplishment and a feeling of self worth.

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Originally posted by LDD:
Rare, but it has happened before:

https://www.oregonlive.com/por..._pulled_gun_out.html

Most people with CHLs value their freedoms enough to not engage with antifa.

It is important to point out that this example happened in Portland. In Fl he would most likely not have been found guilty.

The article quoted the prosecutor saying his life was not in danger because he could have turned and ran away at any time. With FL's stand your ground law and brandishing law I think the verdict is different,

The article also mentioned that the protesters were in fear for their lives as once he drew his gun they all screamed gun and ran away but I don't know if that was just the prosecutor's hyperbole.

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Originally posted by USMCE4retired:
The "handlers" behind these poor dumb brainwashed idiots are most likely hoping that there will be instances where an innocent person being beaten will shoot and kill one or more of his/her attackers. That would play right into their hands as far as justifying "the need for more gun control".
Perhaps the brainwashed antifa participants are willing to have a few "martyrs" to justify their actions. And give themselves a sense of accomplishment and a feeling of self worth.

This was exactly my thought. They provoke confrontation, then play the helpless victim. All an effort to bolster their position and show how evil the fascist right is and how it must be destroyed.

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Originally posted by greco:
I am really wondering. With all these incidents of Antifa whackos attacking people, how have they been so lucky as to not lose a protester to some one who feels like their life is in danger? If someone is minding their own business and winds up in the middle of a violent mob, panic may ensue. We have examples of people getting hit with bicycle locks, metal and wood poles,
and many other objects by protesters. I am surprised a frightened citizen hasn’t felt their life in danger in this instance, and fearing for their life when out numbered and attacked. The instinct for self preservation may cause a shooting. It would be difficult to counter that in court wouldn’t it?

You mean like this ?

https://www.seattletimes.com/s...yiannopoulos-speech/

Righteous or reckless? Trial under way for couple accused in UW shooting during Milo Yiannopoulos speech

Truth is it’s not just ANTIFA who are assholes. It takes two to tango. Both sides attending these things tend to be political violence hobbyists who go to these things looking for a fight.

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Originally posted by erj_pilot:
I think it's simply because Antifa is smart enough not to carry their bullshit into places like Texas, Oklahoma, Montana, e.g., because they KNOW they'd get their asses shot off. They know their limitations and they're too chicken-shit to start their shenanigans in "Dave's" neighborhood. Remember him? "My name is Dave and I don't give a f**k"?? This crap happens only in those areas that are soft on 2A rights, aka, LEFT-TARD areas, and these assholes KNOW they won't encounter any pushback from 2A exercising individuals because they either don't exist or they exist in very minute numbers. That's what bullies do...

Correct.

There are large swaths of American where those Antifa pussies would get OC sprayed and cuffed by the Police in short order and / or knocked out / shot by citizens protecting themselves in legitimate self defense when attacked by the Antifa mob.

And rest assured those cockroaches would be trampling themselves running to get away if something really popped off.

I can't stand to enter blue areas anymore. They blatantly pass off liberal fiction without question, as it it were fact. My wife and I sometimes travel from KY to WI. We pass thru IL. My wife insists we stop and get coffee and gas in IN, then drive straight thru and not stop until Janesville, WI. At any rate, I avoid antifa turf.