Any recommendations - want to have a canister in my car.

MDS

Assuming it’s personal defense and not bear protection, but my go to has been Fox Labs. The stuff is just downright miserable to take in the face. There is availability at Midway as well as some Amazon sellers.

From the officers I know who have used it, Vexor is referred to as "hell in a can". You can get it directly of their website, and I believe now from amazon. It is 15 million SHUs compared to Fox which I believe is 5.3.

One thing though, depending on where you live it's probably not a good idea to leave it in your car due to the risk of it bursting in warmer weather. Extreme cold probably isn't good for it either.

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It is 15 million SHUs compared to Fox which I believe is 5.3.

Uber-high SHUs might make for a nifty marketing tool, but the reality is that the human body can't physically distinguish past a few million SHUs anyway. So 15 vs. 5 will both be the same in practice.

Fox Labs is what I used throughout my nearly two decade LE career. (And I can personally attest that it really hurts!)


I second the recommendation to rethink keeping it stored in the car. Temperature extremes are bad for aerosol propellant cannisters.

Although it's considered "less than lethal" most everywhere,.

You would be wise to research it's use extensively.

Medical, legal, application,
Education now is cheap,
Later maybe not so much

In Florida and many other states, that Stickshot is considered a weapon.

One that should be vehicle safe is the Kimber Pepper Blaster II. It does not use compressed aerosol for delivery. I second the Fox Labs as a very effective product.

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Any recommendations - want to have a canister in my car.

MDS

I don't know how advisable it is to have a pepper spray cannister inside a car that you'll park in the hot sun.

Here's what I have. i't small enough that i have it hanging off a hook on my belt as part of my escalation of force continuum. It's about 3/8" in diameter and maybe 3" long.

ASP Metro Defender Pepper Spray,

We used to carry CAPSTUN back in the day, but we eventually changed to a water based carrier brand of OC due to fire danger.

We were all kicked in the gut because the water based wasn’t even CLOSE to being as effective as our beloved CAPSTUN.

I had ZERO fear going into any situation while carrying it. It was ferocious, but…the negative about it was it was only dispersed in a misty cone rather than in a stream. You were sure to get nailed by it when deploying it.

I was working a large stadium concert where a fight broke out. I sprayed the two, and with the wind, it cleared to entire section. Stream dispersed is the wise way to go, at least for LE. Even so, if my wife or family was in danger, I’d want what I knew was highly effective and easily deployable under stress.

https://www.zarc.com/shop/cate...stun-professional-68

"less lethal, " not "less than lethal." There have been several fatalities during the use of pepper spray. The most notorious was a case where two officers sprayed a subject with pepper gel, which used an alcohol base. When the pepper spray failed, they tazed him. You can imaging the effects of electricity on alcohol.

Zarc makes good OC, you can order it on Amazon, comes in a little 2oz can with a belt clip and flip up guard for the trigger/button. They market it as different name brands.

Fog or stream works.

Just know whatever kind you get, if you use it-you will get dosed too.

I kept a small bottle of J&J baby shampoo in my patrol car bag so I could decontaminate.

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Fog or stream works.

Just know whatever kind you get, if you use it-you will get dosed too.

True. Though you're likely to dose yourself more heavily if using fog. Fog is generally used for clearing areas/rooms (riot control/jails/etc.), not as much for self defense or patrol use on individuals.

Severity of friendly fire is roughly (from most to least):

Fog > Cone > Stream > Foam

Here in Texas, not sure I would keep it in the vehicle unless you plan to bring it with you each time you get into it.

I do not leave my trauma kits in my personal or work vehicle and only put them in it when I get into them and use the vehicle so products don’t degrade. The Texas heat can be brutal.

The Fox is good if it will be for in your vehicle. I like POM https://pompepperspray.com/products/pom-clip-model for carrying on me personally as it is very compact, easy to carry, and always on me. It is 2M scoville but still effective.

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Any recommendations - want to have a canister in my car.

MDS

I don't know how advisable it is to have a pepper spray cannister inside a car that you'll park in the hot sun.

Nothing to advise against. I’ve had multiple canister in multiple sizes left in my cruiser for the last 18+ years.
We see below zero temps all the way up to the triple digits. Never had a canister burst.

We use Defense Technologies and it is NO fun. I have not carried it on my duty belt since I got a taser.

Some wonderful state like NY, you're only allowed a certain potency level, because you know, we wouldn't want it to be effective.

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:

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Originally posted by Harleysbluff:
Any recommendations - want to have a canister in my car.

MDS

I don't know how advisable it is to have a pepper spray cannister inside a car that you'll park in the hot sun.

Nothing to advise against. I’ve had multiple canister in multiple sizes left in my cruiser for the last 18+ years.
We see below zero temps all the way up to the triple digits. Never had a canister burst.

We use Defense Technologies and it is NO fun. I have not carried it on my duty belt since I got a taser.

I'm not arguing against your experience but a quick google search shows multiple hits that also advise against any aerosol containers in a car that can get hot.

Don’t Leave These Items in a Hot Car!

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Aerosol Cans – Hairspray, sunscreen, paint or any material in a pressurized can may explode when temperatures exceed 120 degrees. Personal protection devices such as pepper sprays also fall into this category.

I've had the same question as the OP. I'll try Fox Labs.
If I'm road raged, at my age I'm not going to try and fight a 20 year old drunk.
I just hope the wind wouldn't blow it back in my own face.
I would want to spray and get the hell out of the area.

I’ve been through two pepper spray training classes now for my church security team and there was a lot of good info given but here is what I recall most:

1. If you spray someone, you are legally obligated to render aid and get them an ambulance if they ask for one. You can’t just spray and walk away.

2. Gel sprays are the most effective because they go where they are aimed and much less of a chance of hitting bystanders like with sprays and fogs which the industry is moving away from anyway.

We went through a pretty extensive course, it’s like 6 hours and covers a whole lot to include running through scenarios with a simulator canister. It’s much harder than you think especially when you’re being rushed by an attacker. That 21 foot rule is no joke.

The course was taught by an active duty Philadelphia police officer so point #1 may have only been applicable to us as a church security team. One person did ask about carrying it in their car and he said he carried a canister in his, but I’m not sure leaving an aerosol can in a vehicle that can get up to 130 degrees in the summer is a good idea.

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1. If you spray someone, you are legally obligated to render aid and get them an ambulance if they ask for one. You can’t just spray and walk away.

Fuck that! Somebody comes at me and wants to inflict bodily harm on me or my family?
They may have friends. I'm getting out of there as fast as I can. Deal with the law later.

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Originally posted by Harleysbluff:
Any recommendations - want to have a canister in my car.

MDS

I don't know how advisable it is to have a pepper spray cannister inside a car that you'll park in the hot sun.

Nothing to advise against. I’ve had multiple canister in multiple sizes left in my cruiser for the last 18+ years.
We see below zero temps all the way up to the triple digits. Never had a canister burst.

We use Defense Technologies and it is NO fun. I have not carried it on my duty belt since I got a taser.

I'm not arguing against your experience but a quick google search shows multiple hits that also advise against any aerosol containers in a car that can get hot.

Don’t Leave These Items in a Hot Car!

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Aerosol Cans – Hairspray, sunscreen, paint or any material in a pressurized can may explode when temperatures exceed 120 degrees. Personal protection devices such as pepper sprays also fall into this category.

Yes, the manufacturers say that for liability reasons. Also, there's a difference between mainstream and bargain brands as far as the quality of the container & sealing. 116 degree Vegas outdoor temperatures and nothing either worn or in the trunk of a vehicle ever leaked. I'm a big fan of the Sabre Red spray.

I sell this: https://teampython.com/product...r-spray-0-5-oz-halo/

It is a stream vs a spray.