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Originally posted by Speedbird:
18 years in the Army... My $0.02:

#1 "...A culinary specialist..."

Not ALL cooks are shitbags.

I had a 98 ASVAB and WANTED to be an Army cook...because I wanted and needed that experience in order to get into the Culinary Institute of America, basically the Harvard and West Point of chef schools. My recruiter could not believe his ears when I told him that and tried several times to talk me out of it. I got my 94B MOS.

And that's what I did for 4 years and loved every minute of it, and cooked my ass off with what was provided for us. Also got to cook for Generals at their quarters, be on culinary competition teams that competed in Europe and at Fort Lee, VA. I was offered a job to cook for Generals at the Pentagon, but turned it down as I already had my acceptance letter to school.

This Muslim soldier is just a lazy shitbag who doesn't want to work, but please don't lump us all together.

Ahhh, how well I remember facing the cook in the chow line as he asked "how do you want your eggs"?
When I responded "fucking cooked this time", I wondered how it would feel to be assaulted with a GI spatula.
No hijab was seen.

Cooks are a unique breed, I have know some pieces of shit cooks. On the other hand some of the finest Marines and Sailors I have met were cooks. Some of the best meals I have ever had were provided by the US Navy. After 6 months of MRE’s and the occasional T-rat I can tell you that the hot meal I ate in the Chiefs mess when we can home from Iraq was heavenly.

I understand it is a Muslim practice to use agitation like this to progressively move the culture to sharia.

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
I understand it is a Muslim practice to use agitation like this to progressively move the culture to sharia.

I think we have seen that practice in Europe for a while, and now here in the US as well.



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Originally posted by Icabod:
When her hair fell down it was because it wasn’t secured in a military manner. All the stuff about a strap and such would have had no impact if her hair was secured.

Watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6AvIStmGVo

I’m getting the impression this was a cook that recently converted to Islam. Hence not wanting to handle pork and the stuff about just getting an exemption.

What the f? That's a whole 3 minutes out of your five minutes to shit, shower, and shave.

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
I understand it is a Muslim practice to use agitation like this to progressively move the culture to sharia.

qw need to start aggressively agitating them back

She probably wants to get kicked out. And then work at getting 100% disability and get $3000 tax free a month plus all the other stuff that goes with it.

"Command Sergeant Major was wrong."

Sorry.

That basically never happens. Ever.

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Originally posted by PASig:

Not ALL cooks are shitbags.

I had a 98 ASVAB and WANTED to be an Army cook...because I wanted and needed that experience in order to get into the Culinary Institute of America, basically the Harvard and West Point of chef schools. My recruiter could not believe his ears when I told him that and tried several times to talk me out of it. I got my 94B MOS.

And that's what I did for 4 years and loved every minute of it, and cooked my ass off with what was provided for us. Also got to cook for Generals at their quarters, be on culinary competition teams that competed in Europe and at Fort Lee, VA. I was offered a job to cook for Generals at the Pentagon, but turned it down as I already had my acceptance letter to school.

This Muslim soldier is just a lazy shitbag who doesn't want to work, but please don't lump us all together.

I certainly won't. At my first duty station I held the additional duty of Food Service Officer and the cooks at that remote radar station worked miracles with the foodstuffs they obtained. Later on, I was part of a deployable TAC radar unit, and we had our own bevy of cooks with mobile kitchens--what they turned out was outstanding! And I never saw anyone resting on their buttocks.

flashguy

A lot of my experience with cooks for most of my career (IN) was mostly field chow which isn't too good.

A few years ago I was the Ops Officer and then XO for a support battalion in the Guard. We had our own cooks and MKT. They were very good and motivated much like PASig's post. They entered a cooking competition at the "Bite of Portland" against the other services one year and won. Even though as an officer I have to pay cash for the DFAC meals, I almost always ate the meals prepared by them to both show support and because they did a good job.

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I had a 98 ASVAB and WANTED to be an Army cook...because I wanted and needed that experience in order to get into the Culinary Institute of America, basically the Harvard and West Point of chef schools. My recruiter could not believe his ears when I told him that and tried several times to talk me out of it. I got my 94B MOS.

And that's what I did for 4 years and loved every minute of it, and cooked my ass off with what was provided for us. Also got to cook for Generals at their quarters, be on culinary competition teams that competed in Europe and at Fort Lee, VA. I was offered a job to cook for Generals at the Pentagon, but turned it down as I already had my acceptance letter to school.

First off, whenever I was in the presence of an E-8 or above, I STFU, listened and knew I was lucky if they spoke to me, good or bad. And I did exactly what they told me to do. As others here have adeptly described - you are in the presence of God - or Satan (if you are a dumbass).

I met two First Sergeants that were characters. One was so gumby stutterfucked you could tell him to go fuck himself and he'd back down. The other had a moral compass a degree off. Good man, but bad leader.

You were a cook? I didn't know.

The mess halls were a place to gather and the cooks took care of us. I never walked into a mess hall and didn't expect to feel better coming out than I had going in.

But it was in the field where you learned that an Army marches on it's stomach. And being assigned to the RDF, life in the field was omnipresent.

Cooks were not. We lived on MRE's. But our cooks, to the best of their ability - and as long as we weren't moving, would do their absolute best to show up once a day with a hot meal in insulated containers. By truck or helicopter, in all weather - they came to us in some crappy places. We never knew which meal it would be (which would largely affect our MRE component trading!), however, when they announced hot chow, you knew saints had arrived. And I never saw them whine or snivel. I think they saw the good they did.

68J Aircraft Armament (AH-1S)
19E Armor Crewman (M60)
19D Cavalry Scout (Air Mobile)

Thank YOU for your service.

I don't care if you are a cook or a SEAL/Ace Pilot/Grunt/Etc, so long as you do your duty.

This piece of work sounds like she was trying to skate by on minimal effort and just cause trouble.

Just like the 'Vietnam vet indian activist' who was a refrigerator repairman. I don't care that he fixed fridges; I care that he was an AWOL POS.


Precious brat in this story consistently violated regs, bragged about it, and acts all butt-hurt / oppressed when she gets called out on it. Boot her out of the Army and get on with life.

The link has an illustration showing the proper wear of a hijab in uniform.

https://www.armytimes.com/news...ons-about-her-hijab/

This Muslim Fort Carson soldier is still getting questions about her hijab

By: Meghann Myers  1 day ago

A Fort Carson, Colorado, brigade commander has found no issue with the way a command sergeant major attempted to enforce hair regulations with a Muslim soldier earlier this month, according to a Friday statement to Army Times. Now her attorney is considering filing a federal lawsuit.

Sgt. Cesilia Valdovinos met with Col. David Zinn, who leads 2nd Infantry Brigade Combat Team, 4th Infantry Division, to discuss her equal opportunity complaint on Thursday, her attorney told Army Times, hours after 704th Brigade Support Battalion Command Sgt. Maj. Kerstin Montoya again accused Valdovinos of wearing her hair down underneath her hijab.

“A commander’s inquiry found allegations against a senior non-commissioned officer were unsubstantiated regarding discriminating against Sgt. Cesilia Valdovinos," Zinn said in the statement. "The inquiry concluded that the senior noncommissioned officer acted appropriately by enforcing the proper wear of the hijab, in compliance with Army regulations.”

But she has in the past and continues to tie her hair up in a bun underneath the head covering, she said in a Thursday email, and now feels that her senior enlisted leader is targeting her.

“This is an absolutely quintessential example of some of the worst anti-Muslim bigotry, prejudice and harassment that we have seen,” Mikey Weinstein, founder of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, which represents Valdovinos, told Army Times on Friday. “That’s because it’s so blatant.”

Having exhausted her administrative remedies, he added, MRFF is considering filing a federal lawsuit on her behalf, in light of the “hostile work environment” her command as created.

Valdovinos filed the complaint after a March 6 incident in which Montoya pulled her aside, ordering her to remove her hijab ― for which she has a religious accommodation waiver ― to verify her hair was in regulation. On March 21, she said, the same CSM, in the presence their paralegal, took her aside and again accused her of being out of regs.

“Well I don’t believe it is, go to the restroom and put it up over your shoulders,” Valdovinos said, paraphrasing the conversation.

She asked her first sergeant, who saw the interaction, what she should do. The paralegal told her to go to the bathroom and act like she was fixing her hair, she said.

“At this point I feel harassed by CSM Montoya, as if she’s just looking for reasons to find a way for me to get in trouble,” Valdovinos said.

Her hair was always up, she added.

“I don’t have long, thick hair,” she said. “My hair is thin and short, so because she doesn’t see a full bun sticking out of my hijab doesn’t mean I don’t have it in a bun.”

The Army authorized the hijab for wear in uniform in early 2017, in a directive that also authorized Sikh turbans and patka coverings. To wear them, soldiers must have brigade commander authorization, and their hair must be kept off of their faces and tied up according to existing regulations for long hair.

Later than afternoon, she met with Zinn to discuss the findings of his commander’s inquiry.

“Our leaders are committed to supporting Soldiers’ freedom of religious expression," Zinn said in his statement. “I have, and will continue to, take all reports of soldiers disrespecting religious beliefs, observances, or traditions very seriously.”

Valdovinos said the commander told her he would have their chaplain train the command teams on approaching religious situations. She asked for a transfer, she said, “because I feel I am being targeted. He said he would consider it."

Weinstein reached out to the deputy commanding general of 4th ID on Thursday, he said, but has not received a response.

I don't understand why ANYONE should be allowed to wear a tent cover over their uniform...

I think she needs to stay where she is, sans the hijab and become an American rather than the face of the enemy

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
I don't understand why ANYONE should be allowed to wear a tent cover over their uniform...

It's not a "tent cover over their uniform".

Simply a head covering.



Much like the Jewish and Sikh soldiers who wear religious head coverings while in uniform.

Buzz cut, one problem solved.

So now she wants a transfer....hmmmmm.....

Maybe they can accommodate her by shipping her to Ice Station Zebra, or some such isolated cold dark place.

During my time in the Army, if you refused to do your assigned job, there were all kinds of ways to motivate someone to change their mind. 6 weeks gig pit PT, painting rocks in the hot sun and raking lines in the dirt usually makes people appreciate their regular job.

UNIFORM.

Perhaps my understanding of the English language is deficient.

Or maybe the US Military's is.