A message from one of the very few sane and perceptive people in Hollywood.

Outstanding.

Yes, outstanding!

I put Voight's video on Facebook, hopefully some people will wake up.

I love Jon Voight...even if he did bite Kramer.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
A message from one of the very few sane and perceptive people in Hollywood.

I wanted to slash out "Hollywood" and replace with "this country". But many of us here feel know what he is saying. And he is right on the money- how can human beings act like this? The evilness, the utter lack of empathy, the destructiveness.

Bravo for Mr. Voight.

What strikes me is that Voight knows that this is not at all politics as usual, Democrats versus Republicans-- that what is going on now is gravely serious. It's war.

Can't say it much more clearly than that.

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Originally posted by justjoe:
-- that what is going on now is gravely serious. It's war.

You know, perhaps only 5 years ago, during Obama's reign, the idea of "war" was poo-pooed by most folks here, a tinfoil hat concept.

But the last almost 3 years, I don't know anymore. Things have certainly changed.

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Originally posted by oddball:

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Originally posted by justjoe:
-- that what is going on now is gravely serious. It's war.

You know, perhaps only 5 years ago, during Obama's reign, the idea of "war" was poo-pooed by most folks here, a tinfoil hat concept.

But the last almost 3 years, I don't know anymore. Things have certainly changed.

Yep the Whole World Order thing is currently dead and a whole lot of country's and Democrats aren't happy about U.S. changing direction. ( - =

Judicial Watch Sues for Documents on Biden Forcing Firing of Ukraine Prosecutor
BY MARK TAPSCOTT

The Epoch Times > https://www.theepochtimes.com/...osecutor_3097947.htm
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"WASHINGTON—Judicial Watch announced Sept. 26 that it has filed suit in federal court seeking to force the State Department to release all official U.S. government documents related to the firing of a Ukrainian prosecutor, as demanded by former Vice President Joe Biden.

The nonprofit government watchdog’s suit was in response to the government’s failure to respond to a May 7 Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request for:

Any and all records regarding, concerning, or related to Viktor Shokin’s investigation of Mykola Zolchevsky, and Shokin’s resignation at Ukraine’s Prosecutor General.
Any and all records of communication between any official, employee, or representative of the Department of State and any official, employee, or representative of the Office of the Vice President regarding Shokin.
Postal records confirmed that the Office of Programs and Information Services, which handles FOIA requests sent to the State Department, received the Judicial Watch request. The department didn’t respond within the time limits set by federal law, according to Judicial Watch."..............

White House Storage of Transcripts on Secure Server Justified Due to Avalanche of Leaks, Lawmaker Argues
BY IVAN PENTCHOUKOV

THE EPOCH TIMES 9/29/2019 > https://www.theepochtimes.com/...-argues_3100193.html
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"Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) defended the White House’s handling of transcripts of the president’s calls with foreign leaders, arguing that the Trump administration is right to protect the sensitive documents after being subjected to a barrage of leaks.

“They should be putting everything in there,” Jordan told CNN in an interview aired on Sept. 29, in reference to a secure server where call transcripts are stored.

“You got to protect from the leaks. If [I was] the Trump administration, I would be putting everything in this [classified server].”.....
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Impeachment Coup Analytics

The Democrats have exhausted every other mechanism for destroying Trump—and they are running out of time before November 2020 election.

Victor Davis Hanson
- September 29th, 2019

Aside from the emotional issue that Democrats, NeverTrumpers, and celebrities loathe Donald Trump, recently Representative Al Green (D-Texas) reminded us why the Democrats are trying to impeach the president rather than just defeat him in the 2020 general election.

“To defeat him at the polls would do history a disservice, would do our nation a disservice,” Green said. “I’m concerned that if we don’t impeach the president, he will get re-elected.”

Translated, that means Green accepts either that Trump’s record is too formidable or that the agendas of his own party’s presidential candidates are too frightening for the American people to elect one of them. And that possibility is simply not permissible. Thus, impeachment is the only mechanism left to abort an eight-year Trump presidency—on a purely partisan vote to preclude an election, and thus contrary to the outlines of impeachment as set out by the Constitution.

Consider it another way: Why is it that the House is controlled by Democrats, yet its leadership is not pushing through any of the policy proposals voiced so openly on the Democratic primary stage?

Why aren’t progressive representatives introducing bills to pay reparations to African Americans, to legalize infanticide in some cases of late-term abortion, to offer free medical care to illegal aliens, to confiscate AR-15s, to extend Medicare for all, to impose a wealth tax and raise top rates to between 70 and 90 percent, to abolish student debt and ensure free college for all, or to grant blanket amnesty to those currently living in the country illegally?

Simple answer: none of those issues poll anywhere near 50 percent approval. And no Democratic candidate would expect to beat Trump as the emissary of such an agenda.

If the economy was in a recession, if we were embroiled in another Iraq-like or Vietnam-sort of war, and if Trump’s polls were below 40 percent, then the Democrats would just wait 13 months and defeat him at the polls.

But without a viable agenda and because they doubt they can stop Trump’s reelection bid, they feel they have no recourse but to impeach. If Trump were to be reelected, not a shred of Barack Obama’s “fundamental transformation” would be left, and the strict constructionist Supreme Court would haunt progressives for a quarter-century.

Why Impeachment Now?

The Democrats have exhausted every other mechanism for destroying Trump—and they are running out of time before November 2020 election.

Think of what we have witnessed since the 2016 election. Do we even remember charges that voting machines in the 2016 election were rigged, and the efforts to subvert Electoral College voting, or to invoke the Logan Act, the emoluments clause, and the 25th Amendment?

The “collusion” and “obstruction” fantasies of the Mueller investigation now seem like ancient history. So do the James Comey leaks, the palace coup of Andrew McCabe, the Trump tax records, the celebrity rhetoric about blowing up, shooting, stabbing, burning and variously killing off the president of the United States—along with the satellite frenzies of Stormy Daniels, Michael Avenatti, Charlottesville, Jussie Smollett, the Covington Kids, and the Kavanaugh hearings.

What is left but to try the new “Ukraine collusion”—especially given three other considerations?

First, volatile and always changing polls appearing to favor impeachment roughly reflect Trump’s own popularity (or lack of same). Around 45-46 percent of Americans do not want him impeached and about the same or slightly more say they do.

Second, the hard left-wing of the party might not yet control all the Democrats, but it does not matter because they are clearly younger, more energized, and better organized. And they want something to show for all their social media and photo-op grandstanding, given their socialist agenda is mysteriously moribund.

Third, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) is said to oppose impeachment on pragmatic grounds, but I am not sure that is right. It’s the equivalent of saying Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) was opposed to the progressive character assassination of Brett Kavanaugh. Neither is or was true.

A better description would be that Pelosi and Feinstein simply go along with the perceived 51-plus percent surge of their party, and sit back gleefully watching the fireworks happen, willing to jump in or pull back depending on the atmospherics and polling. Impeachment, remember, will make the Kavanaugh hearings look like a seminar on etiquette, and so everything and anything can happen once dozens of unhinged leftists are unbound.

Be prepared for a half-dozen Christine Blasey Ford-type witnesses to pop up, and 20 or so unhinged Cory Booker-esque “I am Spartacus” performance acts, along with a whole slew of new Steele dossiers—all interspersed with breathless CNN bulletins announcing new fake news developments with “the walls are closing in” and “the end is near” prognostications. Rep. Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) is already reading fantasies to the House Intelligence Committee and passing them off as the text of Trump’s phone call to Ukraine’s new president. Only after he was called on such absurdities did he describe his performance as a parody.

Facts Won’t Matter that Much

The Left is hellbent on impeachment and the absence of a case won’t matter. They do not care if they will sow the wind and reap the whirlwind.

In the coming days, after all, we will probably learn that the whistleblower’s “Schiff dossier” was prepared by ex-Lawfare-type lawyers in service to House Democrats, who just needed a vessel to pass off the hit as a genuine cry of the heart, rather than a scripted attack with all the Steele dossier/Mueller report/Comey memo fingerprints: classification obfuscations, footnotes to liberal media hit pieces, pseudo-scholarly references to court cases, and lawsuit-avoiding, preemptive disclaimers about not actually possessing firsthand knowledge of any of the evidence, prepped hearsay, supposition, and the subjunctive and optative mood composition.

In a sane world, the impeachers would worry their charges that Trump forced Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky to investigate his possible 2020 Democratic opponent Joe Biden might boomerang. After all, Trump never actually cut off Ukrainian aid. Nor did he outline a quid pro quo deal. Essentially he is accused of unduly asking a foreign president to clamp down on corruption in his midst going back to 2016. So what? Especially if there is something more to the strange antics of Hunter Biden and CrowdStrike.

Biden’s problems are not such thought crimes, but are confirmed by his own boasting: that he used the clout of the United States to help his own family financially, by threatening to cut off U.S. aid unless a Ukrainian state prosecutor looking into his own son’s suspicious lobbying was fired within six hours. And in Biden’s own words, “Son of a bitch,” he was fired.

In contrast, Trump might have been all over the map in his call, but he kept the aid to Ukraine coming without demanding the scalp of any Ukrainian official. In some sense, Trump’s culpability boils down to one issue: progressives believe that in not-too-veiled a manner, he threatened a foreign government to start going after the Biden family without cause, whose patriarch Joe might be Trump’s 2020 election opponent.

The other half of the country believes that what is material is not Biden’s current transient electoral status (he is not now and may not be the Democratic nominee), but the fact that he was vice president of the United States when he used his office to threaten the loss of foreign aid to stop investigations of his son, who was using his father’s position to further his own profiteering.

Given that Trump denies any quid pro quo and his call supports that fact, while Biden, on the other hand, openly brags that he made threats which made the Ukrainian to cave (“in six hours”), one can draw one’s own conclusions.

For now, we await more documents—with caveats that the canny Ukrainians, for their own self-interest, will predicate their release of information on the likelihood of which party will win the 2020 election.

The Left hints it has lots of incriminating documents outlining a quid pro quo threat; conservatives suspect that Ukrainian and legal documents will show the prosecutor was neither unethical nor uninterested in Hunter Biden, but was fired precisely because he was not corrupt and very much concerned with Biden.

As far as precedent, there is a good recent example. Barack Obama got caught promising to consider cuts in Eastern-European-based missile defense if Vladimir Putin would give him some room during his reelection campaign.

Translated into Adam Schiff’s Mafiosi parody lingo: Putin would calm down on the international stage to make the U.S.-Russia “reset” look good, Obama would then get rid of Eastern-European missile defense, and Obama would get reelected in 2012.

And all three of those events transpired as planned—one can surmise whether any of the three would have happened without Obama compliance with Russian conditions. Remember, Obama’s quid pro quo was caught on a hot mic on the premise that what he said to Russian President Medvedev was never supposed to be heard. “On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this can be solved,” Obama said. “But it’s important for him [Putin] to give me space . . . This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility.”

Once that understanding was excused, and the media was mute about such collusion, can any notion of collusion as a crime still exist?
Conspiracy Theories

Finally, who are the winners in these impeachment psychodramas, both short-term and long-term?

Short-term, Trump may lose traction due to the media frenzy. He lost some of his ongoing momentum that had recently seen his polls steadily creeping up. He gave a fine speech at the United Nations and sounded presidential in his talks with foreign leaders—all overshadowed or now forgotten due to the impeachment psychodrama.

Trump’s critics have become emboldened, Left and Right. The Drudge Report has flip-flopped and is as anti-Trump as Vox or Slate. Many at National Review call for or anticipate impeachment without much regret. Likewise, some at Fox News—Shepard Smith, Andrew Napolitano, and Chris Wallace—are nonstop critics of Trump and hardly disguise their contempt.

The leftist media is on uppers, and completely ecstatic in moth-to-flame fashion, as if it were May 2017 again and Trump’s demise was a day away.

Because Joe Biden faces far more legal exposure than Trump, he is mentioned (if even to contextualize and exonerate him) in every news account of Ukraine. Whether or not Senator Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) or her erstwhile henchwoman, Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), was behind this gambit, does not matter. (Nothing much from either one had worked to slow down Biden in the last six months). Biden is simply not physically or mentally up to a year of cross-examination. And Hunter Biden is more unsteady than Joe and will thus be hard to locate.

We are starting to see the outlines of a progressive fantasy on the horizon: Biden will be sacrificed. The party will unite around Warren. The left-wing media narrative will be, “We took out one of our own, now it is your turn to depose Trump.” Chaos overload for two or three weeks might keep Trump’s polling low.

Long-term, however, Trump wins.

We still have a number of government audits coming from Michael Horowitz, John Durham, and John Huber—and the targets are not Trump. The Senate will not convict the president under any foreseeable circumstances. The full story of the whistleblower has not been told, but there are a lot of narratives to come about the sudden rules allowing hearsay, DNC involvement, and who knew far in advance about the complainant’s writ. Once the Democratic debates continue, the candidates’ screaming and hysterics return, and the impeachment hearings descend into a Kavanaugh-esque farce, the public will begin to get scared again by the Left’s shrieking Jacobins. Schiff’s “parody” is a small foretaste of what’s to come. Voters soon will surmise that the only thing between their 401k plans and socialism is Donald J. Trump.

Warren or her possible facsimile is a weaker candidate than even the enfeebled Biden. Her lack of viability will be of enormous advantage in NeverHillary-fashion to Trump. His fundraising, already ascendant, will hit the stratosphere. The idea that the new and old NeverTrumpers will be on the side of socialism will finally discredit them. Wall Street and Silicon Valley will keep trashing Trump, but privately write checks to stop Warren’s wealth tax that would be only the beginning of her Venezuelization of America.

So if Trump’s health holds out, if we don’t have a recession, if there is not an optional war, and Trump endures the next few weeks of 360-degree, 24/7 targeting, 2020 will be far more favorable than ever imaginable for him.

https://www.amgreatness.com/20...ment-coup-analytics/

So, how much do we think that the CIA is involved in this ?

Longbow_06:

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So, how much do we think that the CIA is involved in this ?

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How many of us think the Pope might be Catholic?

....but seriously, there is a lot of evidence that it was pervasive at the very top echelons unfortunately.

I'm talking about the start of this collusion witch hunt under Brennan's CIA. The jury is still out on present CIA .....

How many deep state members are left?

How many snakes are there in a 10 acre field?

Don't know, you have to find them one by one.

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How many snakes are there in a 10 acre field?

Don't know, you have to find them one by one.

Burn the field and the snakes run off or die.

So this "OMG! THE WHISTLEBLOWER FEARS FOR HIS LIFE NOW AND IS UNDER FEDERAL PROTECTION!" crap all weekend is more fake news...

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An attorney for the CIA whistleblower at the heart of the Trump-Biden-Ukraine scandal said Sunday that CBS' "60 Minutes" had "completely misinterpreted" a letter to acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire, which the news outlet construed to mean the whistleblower was now under federal protection, according to Politico.

You would think the MSM would finally catch on that people aren't buying their bullshit anymore.

From Zero Hedge:

CIA Whistleblower's Attorney: '60 Minutes' Federal Protection Story Is Fake News

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Originally posted by PASig:
So this "OMG! THE WHISTLEBLOWER FEARS FOR HIS LIFE NOW AND IS UNDER FEDERAL PROTECTION!" crap all weekend is more fake news...

Don’t believe the whistleblower has been confirmed yet.
There are two names being tossed around in speculation.
Looking at their history, I am leaning toward thinking it may be the her.

I share the frustration of all of you. Lies are truth, truth is lies. Facts are ignored. Fantasy is reality. The news media simply make up their own stories in place of reality, and a substantial portion of Americans are asleep or wholly indifferent. They shrug and then wonder about the next American Idol.

And all of the above is understatement, because it's gotten so bad that it is impossible to convey via the written or spoken word.

The preposterous situation in which we find ourselves- these things are the bedrock of civil war. If the tide is not turned, that is where we are headed. No, it's not right around the corner. This is not a small country. We still- for now- have a middle class. Think about the American Civil War. You can find precipitating events of that conflict, going back to twenty or more years before Fort Sumter. Many of you reading my words will be dead before we get to the place where outright hostilities begin in earnest. I, too, will probably be gone. It will be left to the sons and daughters of you to wage the struggle.

It does not have to be this way, and there may yet be hope for this nation. The next thirteen months will tell us much.

There is no common ground between the factions, none whatsoever, and when the other side use their disgusting, coded language and tell us that they want to "start a dialogue" on this or that subject, they do not mean it and we all know it. How can we as Americans be on the wrong side of this, when all we want is for our leaders to follow the rule of law? How can we be on the wrong side when we want our borders to be secure and for foreigners to follow the very clear laws regarding immigration? We're not wrong, and don't let anyone try to shame you because you have the audacity to love your country and believe in the Constitution.

I'm as furious about all of this as any of you, but as individuals, we have to keep trying to wake up the sleeping, stimulate the interest of the apathetic, and we have to hold fast to our beliefs.

“Ballots, not bullets”.
That was the reason for the superiority of representative democratic government over dictators and tyrants.
It all depended on the willingness of both parties to accept the results of elections and the replacement in public office of their favorites by those they opposed.
We all did it—begrudgingly—when Obama was elected. We yelled, we argued, we warned, but in the end we accepted.

Now for the first time one party has refused to accept the results of a valid national election with a clear-cut winner. Yes, I know the Democrats will say George W. Bush was “selected”, but that has been proven wrong.

They want to change the rules: abolish the electoral college, a foundation of the Constitution.

They want to deny the legitimacy of non-compliant media.

They have used institutions and laws designed to protect our national security against the elected president.

They are now contorting the Constitutional remedy of impeachment, pretending that normal international diplomacy is illegal (and, for that matter, should be under their supervision, which is clearly unconstitutional).

They do all this and more despite the cataclysmic effect on Americans’ trust in our institutions that have over two centuries confirmed the legitimacy of our form of government.

Knowing all this, we are as certain as we can be of anything that we are, as Para said, on the right side in this cold Civil War; and that ignoring it or surrendering to it will result not in peace and civility but in the loss of our freedoms.

The Bill of Rights, one after the other, violated with impunity.
The Constitution, perverted and corrupted.

We have no choice. We will, in whatever way necessary, fight.