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Originally posted by xwesler:

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Originally posted by Fredward:
But is it Kosher? Serious question. I have my doubts.

By definition I don't think it can be, as it wouldn't be slaughtered at all, let alone in a kosher manner.

Check out this article from the Times of Israel:

Rabbi: Lab-grown pork could be kosher for Jews to eat – with milk

Finally, Orthodox Jews will be able to know the joy that is a bacon cheeseburger.

To paraphrase: It isn't that kosher meat must come from an animal slaughtered in a kosher way - it's that animals must be handled and slaughtered in a kosher way in order for their meat to be kosher. A lump of meat grown in a lab was never an animal, so the rules don't apply.

At least according to a couple of people described as "prominent Orthodox rabbis" in the article.

Nope. Nope. Nope. And, No F'ing way.

I think I will let Mikey try it first....

He won't eat it. He hates everything.

I don't know I made a Kurbota pork loin from a real once breathing pig yesterday. I can assure you this animal did not die in vain and I'm guessing the rest of the parts and pieces were enjoyed by others. I like things the way they are. As great of a man as Churchill was he had fucked up thinking on this idea.

I was proud and honored to give this piece of pig a place in my smoker and in my belly!

Got to give the cells growth hormones to make it grow. There are lots of other chemicals in the culture medium to make the cells do what cells do. Antibiotics would be necessary in the event of contamination. Nothing different but may be more chemical intensive than real farming.

There is a huge misunderstanding about growth hormones and antibiotics in farming. Their use is HIGHLY regulated. Anyone screaming about hormones in meat should check the levels of phytoestrogens in their soy.

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Originally posted by konata88:
Dark meat? Bones for chicken broth? Formed like a chicken for whole roasted chicken?

Likely the future - perhaps the only efficient, sustainable path to avoid world hunger as populations grow. Glad I won't be around though. Only rich, corrupt politicians, celebrities and big corp will be able to afford real meats, veggies and fruits. The rest of will likely be eating manufactured foods. Someday in the future.....

Not all of the rest of us. Some of us grow and raise our food. Much better than anything you can buy and I seriously doubt that test tube meat will be remotely close to the nutritional density of food grown the correct way can provide. There are already tons of studies that show the difference in factory farmed meat and meat raised properly on pasture.

One of the main excuses for not raising even a portion of your own food is "We don't have the space" A properly set up aquaponics system takes a very small amount of room to produce a ton of food both plant and protein based. A single 4x4 raised bed managed intensively can produce a decent amount of nutrient rich food. Quail have been bred for thousands of years to be grown in cages. A small rack system in a garage can produce a substantial amount of meat and eggs and starts being productive in 6-8 weeks. Running quail in a rack system results in some great fertilizer to put in your raised bed garden.

It is fairly easy to set up a system that is mostly closed loop. You will need food for the quail and/ or food for the fish. We raise tilapia but you can do it with any fish that you can harvest locally. I have a friend that raises Koi in his. He watches for sales and buys small fish. After they grow out a few years he lists them on Craigslist. They sell for $50-$250 which is not bad considering all he has to do is feed them. They excrete nutrient for the plants which clean the water for the fish. He gets food and sells fish for profit.

Let the masses eat test tube sludge. Those that are switched on will eat much better for less money...

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Originally posted by fgwilliams1:
Got to give the cells growth hormones to make it grow. There are lots of other chemicals in the culture medium to make the cells do what cells do. Antibiotics would be necessary in the event of contamination. Nothing different but may be more chemical intensive than real farming.

There is a huge misunderstanding about growth hormones and antibiotics in farming. Their use is HIGHLY regulated. Anyone screaming about hormones in meat should check the levels of phytoestrogens in their soy.

Here are 3 "misunderstandings" that just kill me:

Organic: Once the Fed started regulating the definition of organic (you know, for our own good) the policies put in place are extremely friendly to the corporate factory farm and the organic label makes them more money. The small guy who is putting out product that is 10 times better than what meets the guidelines for organic can't call his product organic. A regulation that benefits big biz and hurts the little guy. Shocked... I wonder which lobbyist wrote the regulation. Can almost guarantee that Monsanto is involved...

Hormone free dairy products: Know anything about state and federal regulations governing the production of milk and other dairy products?

Gluten Free: I've seen meat products with gluten free labels. I've seen vegetables and dairy products with that label.


The masses love it and feel so good about the processed crap they feed their family.


Back to one of FGWilliams1 points: It is expensive as hell but the feed we buy for our chickens and pigs is non-gmo soy free. I am not a scientist but I feel that the gmo soy that most folks are eating tons of everyday is killing us.

Pipedream. This will be the end result:

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Originally posted by mark_a:
Hormone free dairy products: Know anything about state and federal regulations governing the production of milk and other dairy products?

Personally my favorite is the eggs and bacon that proudly proclaim they are hormone-free... and then in little tiny print admit that federal regulations prohibit the use of hormones in poultry or pork.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:

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Originally posted by Fla. Jim:
British Prime Minister Winston Churchill predicted the advent of clean meat in 1932.
"We shall escape the absurdity of growing a whole chicken in order to eat the breast or wing, by growing these parts separately under a suitable medium," Churchill wrote.

Any verification of this quote? I can't imagine that he would have been that clairvoyant 90 years ago when penicillin had just been discovered and nearly 20 years before Francis Crick made his discovery.

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It’s from his writing Fifty Years Hence!

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Originally posted by P-220:
I eat McRib's, of course I'll give it a try.

I'm with these guys LOL

No, I'm not eating any "clean" meat. Ridiculous.

Isn't that what chicken Mcnuggets are?

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Originally posted by f2:
soylent green is people.

Beware

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Originally posted by WaterburyBob:
If it's safe, not unhealthy and tastes good, sure, why not.

Damn right. And with some GMO corn and taters on the side.

I don't trust anyone but God to engineer my food. Why do they think they need to call it clean? Is it euphemism? I suspect it is like legislation. The opposite of what it is called. Affordable Healthcare Act........sure, Stampy.

I mean really... what could go wrong? Man has done such a good job so far.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
He won't eat it. He hates everything.

Hey, Mikey!

Missouri becomes first state in U.S. to regulate use of the word 'meat'

On Tuesday, Missouri becomes the first state in the country to have a law on the books that prohibits food makers to use the word “meat” to refer to anything other than animal flesh.

This takes aim at manufacturers of what has been dubbed fake or non-traditional meat.

Clean meat -- also known as lab-grown meat -- is made of cultured animal tissue cells, while plant-based meat is generally from ingredients such as soy, tempeh and seitan.

The state law forbids "misrepresenting a product as meat that is not derived from harvested production livestock or poultry." Violators may be fined $1,000 and imprisoned for a year.

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