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Originally posted by Flashlightboy:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Regardless of the fact that she won't be repealing jack, how retarded is this woman to threaten to take more money out of people's paychecks now that they're actually seeing more money in their pockets?

Is anyone actually seeing more money in their checks? I haven't seen a single dime's worth of an increase and neither has anyone else in the office or anyone else that I know of.

Do you know of anyone who's got more to spend than before? Seriously, I don't know anyone but I hear people talking about the windfall.

That doesn't make much sense, either way if they haven't updated your withholding you'll just get it when you file your 2018 taxes.

We are seeing a crap ton more money.

-$500 check with happy tax cut written in the memo.
-$53 less per week in withholding or $2,756 per year.
-Bossman decided he will fully fund my HSA for me, another $3,450 per year
-Fiancée is $100 per month less or $1,200 per year.

Total additional income due to DJT tax cuts =

$7,906.

The only bad part is that I will have to pay taxes on the contributions my boss makes to HSA because I was previously doing it pre-tax, so my taxable income will go up and be paid at my highest bracket. So I lose some of the money I am getting if you look at it that way.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:

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Originally posted by Flashlightboy:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Regardless of the fact that she won't be repealing jack, how retarded is this woman to threaten to take more money out of people's paychecks now that they're actually seeing more money in their pockets?

Is anyone actually seeing more money in their checks? I haven't seen a single dime's worth of an increase and neither has anyone else in the office or anyone else that I know of.

Do you know of anyone who's got more to spend than before? Seriously, I don't know anyone but I hear people talking about the windfall.

That doesn't make much sense, either way if they haven't updated your withholding you'll just get it when you file your 2018 taxes.

We are seeing a crap ton more money.

-$500 check with happy tax cut written in the memo.
-$53 less per week in withholding or $2,756 per year.
-Bossman decided he will fully fund my HSA for me, another $3,450 per year
-Fiancée is $100 per month less or $1,200 per year.

Total additional income due to DJT tax cuts =

$7,906.

The only bad part is that I will have to pay taxes on the contributions my boss makes to HSA because I was previously doing it pre-tax, so my taxable income will go up and be paid at my highest bracket. So I lose some of the money I am getting if you look at it that way.

Thanks for the info. I'll check to see. Obviously I'd like my money now instead of when I file for 2018 taxes which amounts to an interest free loan to the gubdamint via a refund.

I make a decent salary so I wasn't expecting anything. I'm getting about $140 more per month due to lower witholding (automatic based on the tax cut-I didn't change it).

I'll take it and Pelosi is a moron if she thinks they are going to get a veto-proof majority in both houses and that many congress-critters will be dumb enough to actually vote on such a bill. Talk is one thing...

No break here. Lost the SALT deduction (probably fair in the big picture) and got carved out of the pass through business deduction. Net result is that mine went up. I haven't read any explanation of why a plumbing business can take the 20% pass through deduction but a physician or dentist can't. The carve out doesn't sit well with me.

Still, there is zero chance I'd vote for a Democrat that would gladly raise my taxes even more.

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Originally posted by Flashlightboy:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Regardless of the fact that she won't be repealing jack, how retarded is this woman to threaten to take more money out of people's paychecks now that they're actually seeing more money in their pockets?

Is anyone actually seeing more money in their checks? I haven't seen a single dime's worth of an increase and neither has anyone else in the office or anyone else that I know of.

Do you know of anyone who's got more to spend than before? Seriously, I don't know anyone but I hear people talking about the windfall.

I do. Ive been working 5 hours less overtime per pay period, plus I started contributing to my 401k again and my take home pay remains the same amount.

Tony.

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Originally posted by Flashlightboy:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Regardless of the fact that she won't be repealing jack, how retarded is this woman to threaten to take more money out of people's paychecks now that they're actually seeing more money in their pockets?

Is anyone actually seeing more money in their checks? I haven't seen a single dime's worth of an increase and neither has anyone else in the office or anyone else that I know of.

Do you know of anyone who's got more to spend than before? Seriously, I don't know anyone but I hear people talking about the windfall.

Everyone I know got an increase, salaries ranging from $50-140K. Mine was greater than my annual increase the last two years. So yes.

At this point, I'm net $17/month ....my employer raised our health insurance premiums and that pretty much ate any tax cut

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Originally posted by Flashlightboy:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Regardless of the fact that she won't be repealing jack, how retarded is this woman to threaten to take more money out of people's paychecks now that they're actually seeing more money in their pockets?

Is anyone actually seeing more money in their checks? I haven't seen a single dime's worth of an increase and neither has anyone else in the office or anyone else that I know of.

Do you know of anyone who's got more to spend than before? Seriously, I don't know anyone but I hear people talking about the windfall.

Eighty-two bucks a week. That ain't crumbs to me, my friend.

We have a weird pay set up, so the only way I can compare take home pay is with my end of month check, which remains constant in terms of hours on a monthly basis. That check did increase when the new tax structure went into effect. Can't remember by how much, though, but my take home did increase.

Nancy can kiss my fat Dago butt for all I care...

I am up about $200 a month, we received an additional bonus when the cut went into effect and my employer bumped the matching contribution to the 401k from 6 to 7%. Because of the lower brackets there should be no net effect on our income taxes even though we are losing deductions.

I don't understand the cause of this "Democrat wave" that so many news outlets are talking about. I get the frustration with the GOP, but Pelosi and the gang are even worse.

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Originally posted by Ackks:
I don't understand the cause of this "Democrat wave" that so many news outlets are talking about. I get the frustration with the GOP, but Pelosi and the gang are even worse.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What he said!
Along with sanctuary cities, rights and full benefits for illegals, transgender, gay crap, climate change lies and the other nonsense that the democrat leaders preach, why does anyone vote democrat?????
I'm convinced that anyone who votes democrat has a mental disorder!! There is no other explanation for this perverter, bazaar thinking.

I am seeing a pay increase. I am not sure exactly how much because our insurance went up at the same time but I am still taking home more money despite paying more in premiums.

I just have not bothered to sit down and figure out the numbers. I was waiting on my annual raise which I just got before I worried about it too much.

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Pelosi: Democrats Will Repeal the GOP Tax Law When We Retake the House

It's a given that they will do it, isn't it? And, what will happen, even if it gets to the President's desk? Yeah, thought so.

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Originally posted by Ackks:
I don't understand the cause of this "Democrat wave" that so many news outlets are talking about. I get the frustration with the GOP, but Pelosi and the gang are even worse.

I've had the exact same thought.

This is all I can come up with:

Much of what the MSM is telling us about the coming "Democrat Wave" is just bullshit, what they want, what they fantasize about, not what is real. It's propaganda designed to promote/support the left.

The "Democrat Wave" propaganda (which includes all the anti-trump bullshit in all of its many colors and flavors) won't persuade any clear thinker to change his vote from "R" to "D". In fact it may possibly motivate some lazy "R" voters to get off their ass and actually go to the polls. To the extent that it does that it's a good thing.

The main problem is the sheeple (the ones who tune in, accept the propaganda at face value, and never bother to think), because they may be swayed by the MSM. The "Democrat Wave" propaganda effort may, in fact, motivate them to vote "D", adding votes that otherwise wouldn't have been there for the Democrats.

The hard-core leftists, the ones who truly believe in Hillary, who accept the evilness of the right as an irrefutable truth, and hold fast the belief that Trump is the anti-Christ/devil incarnate, were already highly motivated to vote "D". So the "Democrat Wave" propaganda won't have any effect on them, other than to lower their stomach acid level and calm them down somewhat.

Thanks,

Sap

There's been mention that the tax cuts for citizens are only for 5 years. I've heard several snarks from liberals. What they don't know is that this was due to demoncrats. The " Byrd Rule" addresses budget reconciliation. "the Byrd rule states that reconciliation bills -- like the Republican tax bill and the earlier attempt to repeal Obamacare -- cannot contain "extraneous" provisions." "Because of the Byrd rule on long-term deficits. House and Senate versions of The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act produced large and increasing yearly deficits, including in the 10th year."

All this means that the tax reformed passed "by kicking the can down the road. Senate Finance Committee Chairman Orrin Hatch offered an amendment to the tax package Tuesday to make it comply with the Byrd rule by ending all the individual and small business "pass-through" changes (for partnerships, sole ownerships and the like) on Dec. 31, 2025. This would prevent the bill from adding to the deficit 10 years from now, but could cause uncertainty in the business community and lessen the economic benefits of the bill. It could also create future headaches. The 2003 Bush-era tax cuts, for example, were set to expire at the end of 10 years, though this created a fiscal cliff that Congress was forFed to deal with."

The democrats could have fixed this but chose to play games.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news...erhaul-quicktake-q-a

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:

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Originally posted by downtownv:
What a great Platform to run on "We promise to raise your Taxes"

The way the masses would see this is "we will raise taxes on your neighbor and give the money to you". The reality is that they will raise taxes (income, social security, medicare, et al) on most people, take their largess from the top, and dole out the left-overs in a way to keep people dependent.

Precisely. She's just pandering to her base.

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Originally posted by SapperSteel:

I've had the exact same thought.

This is all I can come up with:

Much of what the MSM is telling us about the coming "Democrat Wave" is just bullshit, what they want, what they fantasize about, not what is real. It's propaganda designed to promote/support the left.

The "Democrat Wave" propaganda (which includes all the anti-trump bullshit in all of its many colors and flavors) won't persuade any clear thinker to change his vote from "R" to "D". In fact it may possibly motivate some lazy "R" voters to get off their ass and actually go to the polls. To the extent that it does that it's a good thing.

The main problem is the sheeple (the ones who tune in, accept the propaganda at face value, and never bother to think), because they may be swayed by the MSM. The "Democrat Wave" propaganda effort may, in fact, motivate them to vote "D", adding votes that otherwise wouldn't have been there for the Democrats.

The hard-core leftists, the ones who truly believe in Hillary, who accept the evilness of the right as an irrefutable truth, and hold fast the belief that Trump is the anti-Christ/devil incarnate, were already highly motivated to vote "D". So the "Democrat Wave" propaganda won't have any effect on them, other than to lower their stomach acid level and calm them down somewhat.

I tend to agree with all your points. The first is especially interesting because this time two years ago they were saying the GOP didn't have a chance.

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Originally posted by Ackks:

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Originally posted by SapperSteel:

I've had the exact same thought.

This is all I can come up with:

Much of what the MSM is telling us about the coming "Democrat Wave" is just bullshit, what they want, what they fantasize about, not what is real. It's propaganda designed to promote/support the left.

The "Democrat Wave" propaganda (which includes all the anti-trump bullshit in all of its many colors and flavors) won't persuade any clear thinker to change his vote from "R" to "D". In fact it may possibly motivate some lazy "R" voters to get off their ass and actually go to the polls. To the extent that it does that it's a good thing.

The main problem is the sheeple (the ones who tune in, accept the propaganda at face value, and never bother to think), because they may be swayed by the MSM. The "Democrat Wave" propaganda effort may, in fact, motivate them to vote "D", adding votes that otherwise wouldn't have been there for the Democrats.

The hard-core leftists, the ones who truly believe in Hillary, who accept the evilness of the right as an irrefutable truth, and hold fast the belief that Trump is the anti-Christ/devil incarnate, were already highly motivated to vote "D". So the "Democrat Wave" propaganda won't have any effect on them, other than to lower their stomach acid level and calm them down somewhat.

I tend to agree with all your points. The first is especially interesting because this time two years ago they were saying the GOP didn't have a chance.

I agree mostly, but am hoping for the same kind of Hiliary effect, people assume the media is right and scores of seats are lost and the non hardcore dems stay home because they think they got it in the bag.

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Originally posted by Flashlightboy:
Is anyone actually seeing more money in their checks? I haven't seen a single dime's worth of an increase and neither has anyone else in the office or anyone else that I know of.

Do you know of anyone who's got more to spend than before? Seriously, I don't know anyone but I hear people talking about the windfall.

Yes! My wife is. A nice little savings especially considering she doesn't
make a lot to start with. No it's not a life changing amount but it is sure welcome. The vast majority of workers are getting a break.

Here is a list of examples of the savings for jobs and income levels from $20,000 to $269,000 a year

http://www.businessinsider.com...income-level-2017-12