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Are municipalities spending large piles of money on either construction or additional employees to offer much higher degrees of security to protect it's students and teachers ? Are security Consultants being hired to inspect and recommend improvements or add c.c.t.v. systems ? If not why not? Safety, Situational Awareness and proficiency. Neck Ties, Hats and ammo brass, Never ,ever touch'em w/o asking first | ||
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All the local schools are doing around here is spending mountains of cash to build new schools for all the invaders. | |||
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Negative. My granddaughter will be in the fourth grade this fall. I have been to her school many times for different events and to pick her up after. You cannot get in without being interviewed. All doors are locked elsewhere. They have cameras inside and outside and I have personally seen a police car in the parking lot most times I have been there. I really can't say that they are there all the time though. We all feel very comfortable with the job they are doing. But they are not spending the amounts of money that you are asking about. It would not surprise me at all if the Admin or teachers have guns on them some place. .....never marry a woman who is mean to your waitress. | |||
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1. No 2. No 3. Security is already good at the existing schools, those schools are not at capacity so there’s no need for new schools. | |||
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The schools my kids go to are already secure My daughter’s elementary school has all entry points secured and alarmed. And armed security that is specific to the school. Not resource officers. Actual private armed security. Dropping off cupcakes for a birthday? Armed security will meet you at the door. Sick kid? Show your ID to the camera, armed security will bring your child to you at the door Yes, this is public school Traffic control at my son’s high school is even private security and armed —————————————————— If the meek will inherit the earth, what will happen to us tigers? | |||
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I have 2 boys going in to 5th & 6th grade. I have also been to several other elementary schools in the area for a variety of reasons. My experiences are much like Bassamatic. Every exterior door is locked. They have quite a few cameras. To get inside you have to use an intercom. A camera points toward the intercom so they can see who you are and they buzz you in. I read an article yesterday about Uvalde. Apparently none of their classroom doors had the ability to be locked from INSIDE the classroom. The teachers had to physically go out into the hall to lock the door. That's insane. Every single classroom door should have the ability to be locked from inside the classroom. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/u...door-locks-rcna37358 The moment she heard the first pops of gunfire, the teacher knew what she had to do: She needed to make sure that her classroom door was locked. But at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, that seemingly simple task would require her to take a life-threatening risk. As most of her students crawled under their desks to take cover, she made eye contact with one child she had always given the same job during their lockdown drills, the teacher recalled in an interview. Without speaking, the student followed her to the classroom door. “Do you remember what we do?” the teacher asked the boy, trying to keep her voice calm. The boy, with tears in his eyes, nodded and said, “Yes, ma’am.” Then the teacher pulled the door open. Took a deep breath. And stepped into the hall, praying that the shooter wouldn’t see her. Moving toward gunfire was the only way she could be certain that her students were safe, the teacher said. That’s because Robb Elementary is among thousands of schools across the country lacking a basic safety feature that experts have recommended for decades: classroom doors that lock from the inside. Despite billions of dollars that have been poured into hardening schools nationally, 1 in 4 U.S. public schools lack classroom doors that can be locked from the inside, according to a survey conducted two years ago by the National Center on Education Statistics, a federal research office. The safety feature is missing in much of Texas: 36% of the state’s schools said they did not have interior-locking doors in the majority of their classrooms, according to a 2018 survey commissioned by Gov. Greg Abbott. Outdated locks are especially common in older school buildings that haven’t been renovated, industry representatives said. Built in the 1960s, Robb Elementary had classroom doors that could only be locked and unlocked from the outside, according to state authorities and the teacher. She spoke to NBC News on the condition that she not be named, because she is not ready to talk publicly about her experiences on May 24, when a gunman opened fire inside a pair of conjoined classrooms, killing 19 children and two teachers. The Robb Elementary teacher and her colleagues had been instructed to keep their classroom doors closed and locked at all times, using keys that they were required to carry with them, she said. But that system created frequent opportunities for mistakes: Each time she and her class returned from lunch or from the bathroom, she said, she had to use her key to unlock the door handle — and hope that she remembered to relock it again before going back inside. Once she was inside, the teacher said, there was no way to confirm whether the exterior handle was locked. To remove any doubt, she came up with a system for the lockdown drills. Anytime an alarm sounded, she would step into the hall and pull the classroom door shut, then test the exterior handle to make sure it was locked and latching correctly. The student she had deputized to follow her to the door would then let her back inside. But this time it wasn’t a drill, and she was terrified. After exiting her class, the teacher quickly pulled the door shut and wiggled the exterior handle, confirming it was locked. As she waited for her student to let her back inside, she recalled hearing more gunshots — and footsteps. “I was in the hallway with him,” she said of the gunman. Then, her student pulled the door open, just as they’d practiced. She darted back into the classroom, pushed the door closed and they joined the other students hiding on the floor. Moments later, the gunman entered a classroom across the hall — just steps away from where she’d been standing — and opened fire. Doors that can be quickly and easily locked can mean the difference between life and death when a shooter is on school grounds. That’s why post-shooting safety commissions, teachers, fire safety groups and both gun rights and gun control groups have all advocated for interior-locking doors since the Columbine shooting in 1999, in which two students killed 12 classmates and one teacher. Before Columbine, when security concerns in classrooms were more focused on preventing burglaries than shootings, schools were usually designed with doors that could only be locked with a key from the outside. After the massacre — in which the shooters were only able to access classrooms that were unlocked — schools across the United States began installing specialized classroom security locks, sometimes referred to as “Columbine” locks. Such locks allow teachers to secure their classrooms with a key from either side of the door. When the door is locked, no one can enter from outside the classroom, but the door can always be opened from the inside by just turning the knob. That allows students and teachers to exit the classroom freely at all times, as fire codes require. The upgrade doesn’t come cheap — installing a Columbine lock can cost between $200 and $900 per door, according to one industry estimate, though some older locks can be modified for less. But there is a broad consensus among experts and school safety advocates that this is a simple and effective measure that some school districts have left by the wayside even as they’ve spent millions on new security. Amid the pressure to “harden” schools, and in the absence of state or local requirements to upgrade locks, districts have bought everything from bulletproof whiteboards to artificial intelligence-powered gun detection devices, despite scant evidence that such products prevent shootings. “Instead of giving the money to all these security companies, why not use it to change the locks on the doors?” said Randi Weingarten, president of the American Federation of Teachers, the leading labor union for educators. The group co-authored a 2020 school safety plan with Everytown for Gun Safety’s research division and the National Education Association recommending that all classrooms have interior-locking doors. While restricting access to firearms is still their top priority, the groups said that interior locks are critical to deterring shooters who make it into a school. “That’s less invasive than virtually any other kind of security measure,” Weingarten said. Having to step outside the classroom to lock a door during a shooting is “crazy,” she added. Uvalde’s school district did not respond to questions about locks on its classroom doors or the Robb Elementary teacher’s account of the shooting. The issue has surfaced again and again after school shootings: In 2007, the Virginia Tech gunman repeatedly entered classrooms that could not be locked from the inside, while students and faculty struggled to barricade the doors with their bodies and with furniture; 32 were killed. The call for upgraded locks was revived after the 2012 shooting at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, in which 20 children and six educators were killed by a gunman, and after the 2018 shooting at the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, in which a gunman killed 14 students and three staff members. Neither of the schools had interior-locking classroom doors. “There has never been an event in which an active shooter breached a locked classroom door,” a safety commission convened after the Newtown massacre pointed out in 2015, recommending the security measure. But the logistics and expense of installing these locks can dissuade districts from investing in them, said Amy Klinger, founder and director of programs for The Educator’s School Safety Network, a nonprofit group that helps districts protect against gun attacks. “Think about how many hundreds of thousands of schools there are in the United States and in each one, you have maybe 200 doors,” she said. “The scope of it becomes incredibly expensive and overwhelming to try to standardize.” No state requires all schools to install interior locks, though some recommend it, and a wave of school security grants often follows shootings. But even when they have new funds available, schools have struggled to decide what to prioritize. “School districts and administrators get overwhelmed with numbers of options and solutions,” said Cedric Calhoun, chief executive officer of DHI, an industry group for door security professionals. “A lot of times they can overlook the simplicity of a door lock.” | |||
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Our security was decent before Sandy Hook but they really secured the schools shortly thereafter including an SRO at every school. My kids are grown, but did attend a private school for high school. They had a campus where kids moved around between different buildings which made security much more difficult. I personally know a few of the SROs and they are good guys. A few are former deployed veterans and avid shooters who I truly believe would rise to the occasion if required. _________________________ "An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last” - Winston Churchil | |||
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Just spoke to the secretary at the school district office. They are in fact addressing three security issues at one of the three schools here in tiny town, With some construction over summer break. Safety, Situational Awareness and proficiency. Neck Ties, Hats and ammo brass, Never ,ever touch'em w/o asking first | |||
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Our district just fucked over the taxpayers again by lying about a bond they wanted. Got the kids to go home and tell their parents to vote for it “cause your taxes won’t go up” even though the law says the phrase “this will raise your taxes” must be printed on the ballot. The district said that with all the new people moving here they would begin paying taxes and then our won’t go up. My question was, what if those imaginary people don’t move here? Then what? There’s a huge lawsuit running now over it. Belton ISD in TX. The superintendent got the job just before Covid and he’s been crying for money since day one. Apparently he can’t run a budget like the last lady did. $165M tax dollars. "Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.” Robert A. Heinlein “You may beat me, but you will never win.” sigmonkey-2020 “A single round of buckshot to the torso almost always results in an immediate change of behavior.” Chris Baker | |||
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Our small district with approximately 1,600 students is in the process of spending over $50,0000,000 on PHASE 1 of a new high school. We do have security measures in place, our teachers are well versed, and the newer the construction the better the schools are equipped. As an example, our new high school (when built) will look quite normal from the front, but the floor of the building will be elevated roughly 4 feet from the surrounding ground. This will put the bottom of the windows 6 feet off of the ground on the exterior. This would prevent somebody from easily entering through any classroom windows yet would still allow students to evacuate out of them if needed. | |||
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The district I work for is secure. Doors on mag locks all hours except for drop off and pick up. Visitors are only buzzed into front lobby and still need key to enter school. Teachers badges are key cards. Full time resource officer for each school is county sheriff deputy and is there from start to end of day. Teachers with CFP are allowed to carry if they want. ____________________________ While you may be able to get away with bottom shelf whiskey, stay the hell away from bottom shelf tequila. - FishOn | |||
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All of the network password protection in the world will not prevent an individual on the network from connecting an outside-of-network storage drive to their computer. Not an expert here but I’ve spent a career in public schools and security is about what individual school employees do or not do that impacts the security of a building and the children inside. Below are just a few of the things I’ve seen occur at a public school: Staff member holding the exterior door open for an unknown person to enter Student holding the door open for a person to enter the student area. This person turned out to be a pedophile. Secretaries leaving the door open because they wanted the cool air outside to enter the building Staff members propping a rear exit door open because they were “going to be right back.” Staff and students need to receive clear and repetitive training on entry security. Many states require a monthly fire drill so why not training on the importance of keeping doors locked and following the recommendations of local law enforcement. In my view this issue of school security is not a hardware issue. Silent | |||
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They put up a new “Nuclear Free Zone” sign but that’s about it. | |||
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No. But CCW in school is legal and our local sheriff's dept. teaches a free school specific multi-hour CCW class for teachers and admin. __________________________ | |||
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Only one of the five schools I deliver to keeps the doors locked. No security anywhere. "I'm yet another resource-consuming kid in an overpopulated planet raised to an alarming extent by Hollywood and Madison Avenue, poised with my cynical and alienated peers to take over the world when you're old and weak!" - Calvin, "Calvin & Hobbes" | |||
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In the past two years , every school here has had massive security upgrades. They completely fenced in every school, with 6 ft fencing. They installed steel window curtains on all windows to prevent breaking windows and entering. The front entrance was beefed up with barriers and locked steel doors that you have to be buzzed in. All schools have new state of the art security camera systems. There is always more that can be done but they have done some very decent security updates locally. ______________________________________________________ Often times a very small man can cast a very large shadow | |||
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Our county is booming, with new schools being built that have new security features designed in and retrofitting existing buildings. We are fortunate to have the #1 public school district in the state. There is at least one officer in every school, and we have the Guardian program which permits schools to have armed staff who have successfully completed the 120-hour firearms training program. More importantly I think the Parkland school shooting was a wakeup call to elected officials and school and LE administrations that they need to be paying attention. CMSGT USAF (Retired) Chief of Police (Retired) | |||
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The Ice Cream Man |
Honestly, the best thing would be to remove the “problem children” from the student body. Children are conditioned into citizens, in school. If they are forced to tolerate the abuse of the criminal and insane, they become adults who feel they should be abused. If they go to school, devoid of rights, in a prison, they will continue to live in one. (AKA, see how many men under 30 carry a pocket knife.) | |||
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