If this needs to be shut down and moved to the Trump thread, please lock the thread and I will post it there.

I felt like this encompassed more than just Trump and more than Covid or the riots thread.

I don't agree with every point in this summary, but do feel like it's pretty spot on. This is a compilation of a thread of tweets that was made this morning.

Would like to hear member's thoughts on it.

https://threadreaderapp.com/th...165168956088321.html

I think I've had discussions w/enough Boomer-tier Trump supporters who believe the 2020 election was fraudulent to extract a general theory about their perspective. It is also the perspective of most of the people at the Capitol on 1/6, and probably even Trump himself. 1/x

Most believe some or all of the theories involving midnight ballots, voting machines, etc, but what you find when you talk to them is that, while they'll defend those positions w/info they got from Hannity or Breitbart or whatever, they're not particularly attached to them. 2/x

Here are the facts - actual, confirmed facts - that shape their perspective: 1) The FBI/etc spied on the 2016 Trump campaign using evidence manufactured by the Clinton campaign. We now know that all involved knew it was fake from Day 1 (see: Brennan's July 2016 memo, etc). 3/x

These are Tea Party people. The types who give their kids a pocket Constitution for their birthday and have Founding Fathers memes in their bios. The intel community spying on a presidential campaign using fake evidence (incl forged documents) is a big deal to them. 4/x

Everyone involved lied about their involvement as long as they could. We only learned the DNC paid for the manufactured evidence because of a court order. Comey denied on TV knowing the DNC paid for it, when we have emails from a year earlier proving that he knew. 5/x

This was true with everyone, from CIA Dir Brennan & Adam Schiff - who were on TV saying they'd seen clear evidence of collusion w/Russia, while admitting under oath behind closed doors that they hadn't - all the way down the line. In the end we learned that it was ALL fake. 6/x

At first, many Trump ppl were worried there must be some collusion, because every media & intel agency wouldn't make it up out of nothing. When it was clear that they had made it up, people expected a reckoning, and shed many illusions about their gov't when it didn't happen. 7/x

We know as fact: a) The Steele dossier was the sole evidence used to justify spying on the Trump campaign, b) The FBI knew the Steele dossier was a DNC op, c) Steele's source told the FBI the info was unserious, d) they did not inform the court of any of this and kept spying. 8/x

Trump supporters know the collusion case front and back. They went from worrying the collusion must be real, to suspecting it might be fake, to realizing it was a scam, then watched as every institution - agencies, the press, Congress, academia - gaslit them for another year. 9/x

Worse, collusion was used to scare people away from working in the administration. They knew their entire lives would be investigated. Many quit because they were being bankrupted by legal fees. The DoJ, press, & gov't destroyed lives and actively subverted an elected admin. 10/x

This is where people whose political identity was largely defined by a naive belief in what they learned in Civics class began to see the outline of a Regime that crossed all institutional boundaries. Because it had stepped out of the shadows to unite against an interloper. 11/x

GOP propaganda still has many of them thinking in terms of partisan binaries, but A LOT of Trump supporters see that the Regime is not partisan. They all know that the same institutions would have taken opposite sides if it was a Tulsi Gabbard vs Jeb Bush election. 12/x

It's hard to describe to people on the left (who are used to thinking of gov't as a conspiracy... Watergate, COINTELPRO, WMD, etc) how shocking & disillusioning this was for people who encourage their sons to enlist in the Army, and hate ppl who don't stand for the Anthem. 13/x

They could have managed the shock if it only involved the government. But the behavior of the corporate press is really what radicalized them. They hate journalists more than they hate any politician or gov't official, because they feel most betrayed by them. 14/x

The idea that the press is driven by ratings/sensationalism became untenable. If that were true, they'd be all over the Epstein story. The corporate press is the propaganda arm of the Regime they now see in outline. Nothing anyone says will ever make them unsee that, period. 15/x

This is profoundly disorienting. Many of them don't know for certain whether ballots were faked in November 2020, but they know for absolute certain that the press, the FBI, etc would lie to them if there was. They have every reason to believe that, and it's probably true. 16/x

They watched the press behave like animals for four years. Tens of millions of people will always see Kavanaugh as a gang rapist, based on nothing, because of CNN. And CNN seems proud of that. They led a lynch mob against a high school kid. They cheered on a summer of riots. 17/x

They always claimed the media had liberal bias, fine, whatever. They still thought the press would admit truth if they were cornered. Now they don't. It's a different thing to watch them invent stories whole cloth in order to destroy regular lives and spark mass violence. 18/x

Time Mag told us that during the 2020 riots, there were weekly conference calls involving, among others, leaders of the protests, the local officials who refused to stop them, and media people who framed them for political effect. In Ukraine we call that a color revolution. 19/x

Throughout the summer, Democrat governors took advantage of COVID to change voting procedures. It wasn't just the mail-ins (they lowered signature matching standards, etc). After the collusion scam, the fake impeachment, Trump ppl expected shenanigans by now. 20/x

Re: "fake impeachment", we now know that Trump's request for Ukraine to cooperate w/the DOJ regarding Biden's $ activities in Ukraine was in support of an active investigation being pursued by the FBI and Ukraine AG at the time, and so a completely legitimate request. 21/x

Then you get the Hunter laptop scandal. Big Tech ran a full-on censorship campaign against a major newspaper to protect a political candidate. Period. Everyone knows it, all of the Tech companies now admit it was a "mistake" - but, ya know, the election's over, so who cares? 22/x

Goes w/o saying, but: If the NY Times had Don Jr's laptop, full of pics of him smoking crack and engaging in group sex, lots of lurid family drama, emails describing direct corruption and backed up by the CEO of the company they were using, the NYT wouldn't have been banned. 23/x

Think back: Stories about Trump being pissed on by Russian prostitutes and blackmailed by Putin were promoted as fact, and the only evidence was a document paid for by his opposition and disavowed by its source. The NY Post was banned for reporting on true information. 24/x

The reaction of Trump ppl to all this was not, "no fair!" That's how they felt about Romney's "binders of women" in 2012. This is different. Now they see, correctly, that every institution is captured by ppl who will use any means to exclude them from the political process. 25/x

And yet they showed up in record numbers to vote. He got 13m more votes than in 2016, 10m more than Clinton got! As election night dragged on, they allowed themselves some hope. But when the four critical swing states (and only those states) went dark at midnight, they knew. 26/x

Over the ensuing weeks, they got shuffled around by grifters and media scam artists selling them conspiracy theories. They latched onto one, then another increasingly absurd theory as they tried to put a concrete name on something very real. 27/x

Media & Tech did everything to make things worse. Everything about the election was strange - the changes to procedure, unprecedented mail-in voting, the delays, etc - but rather than admit that and make everything transparent, they banned discussion of it (even in DMs!). 28/x

Everyone knows that, just as Don Jr's laptop would've been the story of the century, if everything about the election dispute was the same, except the parties were reversed, suspicions about the outcome would've been Taken Very Seriously. See 2016 for proof. 29/x

Even the courts' refusal of the case gets nowhere w/them, because of how the opposition embraced mass political violence. They'll say, w/good reason: What judge will stick his neck out for Trump knowing he'll be destroyed in the media as a violent mob burns down his house? 30/x

It's a fact, according to Time Magazine, that mass riots were planned in cities across the country if Trump won. Sure, they were "protests", but they were planned by the same people as during the summer, and everyone knows what it would have meant. Judges have families, too. 31/x

Forget the ballot conspiracies. It's a fact that governors used COVID to unconstitutionally alter election procedures (the Constitution states that only legislatures can do so) to help Biden to make up for a massive enthusiasm gap by gaming the mail-in ballot system. 32/x

They knew it was unconstitutional, it's right there in plain English. But they knew the cases wouldn't see court until after the election. And what judge will toss millions of ballots because a governor broke the rules? The threat of mass riots wasn't implied, it was direct. 33/x

a) The entrenched bureaucracy & security state subverted Trump from Day 1, b) The press is part of the operation, c) Election rules were changed, d) Big Tech censors opposition, e) Political violence is legitimized & encouraged, f) Trump is banned from social media. 34/x

They were led down some rabbit holes, but they are absolutely right that their gov't is monopolized by a Regime that believes they are beneath representation, and will observe no limits to keep them getting it. Trump fans should be happy he lost; it might've kept him alive. /end

I thought this was a good write up also.

This part:

"It's a fact that governors used COVID to unconstitutionally alter election procedures (the Constitution states that only legislatures can do so) to help Biden to make up for a massive enthusiasm gap by gaming the mail-in ballot system.

They knew it was unconstitutional, it's right there in plain English. But they knew the cases wouldn't see court until after the election. And what judge will toss millions of ballots because a governor broke the rules? The threat of mass riots wasn't implied, it was direct"

captures my thinking very well.

I thought Jesse Kelly had an interesting take on it...

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:
I don't agree with every point in this summary, but do feel like it's pretty spot on.

I'd be interested to hear what you disagree with, and why, because I didn't see anything I thought was off.

Jesse Kelly's tweet is ominous, and I don't think he's wrong, either.

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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:
I don't agree with every point in this summary, but do feel like it's pretty spot on.

I'd be interested to hear what you disagree with, and why, because I didn't see anything I thought was off.

Jesse Kelly's tweet is ominous, and I don't think he's wrong, either.

Fair enough - I felt like the tone was just a little off in that I was not naive before Trump and didn't have some childlike perception that the media and government institutions were not corrupt. While the past several years have put that notion to bed forever, my opinion of the media started back in the 90's and continued even into the early days of this forum when we had members (who are still here, by the way) that claimed that the media was only driven by ratings and dollars and were not in any way ideological. That was farcical then and has been fully exposed now - no one can make that argument with a straight face.

Otherwise, it was spot on - the facts speak for themselves. Very well written and pretty thorough.

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Trump fans should be happy he lost; it might've kept him alive. /end

I don’t understand what he means by this.

Can someone please explain this to me.

Feel free to use the most simple terms.

Thanks

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Originally posted by bigguy:

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Trump fans should be happy he lost; it might've kept him alive. /end

I don’t understand what he means by this.

Can someone please explain this to me.

Feel free to use the most simple terms.

Thanks

I believe it means that the left would have had him assassinated had he won.

I believe that the left is unreasonable and Trump is at risk win or lose from the left.

That said, I disagree strongly that a fascist future is what those who are not liberal would choose. Note I did not say moderate or conservative - the choice for the future of America lies not in the “hard right” or any labels but the citizens of the USA. Those that work, that defend, that uphold, that create, etc.

I think this next cycle, the Republican Party will run a practical platform and stay out of everyone’s personal life - which is largely the shift we have seen. I also think Trump’s time as president is past - that leaders that learned from him and work with him will step up. He is not gone, and the values he fought so hard for remain - but in practical terms the republicans need to build a hard edge.

Do what is needed to win, take back the country and build the America for all Patriots liberals hate. I could never have imagined a time when terms like “Patriot” could be negative or polarizing - and I hope in the future this “moment of insanity” passes. But the communists, anarchists, and socialists will not go quietly or neatly and we need to outthink and out execute them.

I chose to be positive that this will happen because we will work to make it happen.

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Originally posted by Flash-LB:

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Originally posted by bigguy:

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Trump fans should be happy he lost; it might've kept him alive. /end

I believe it means that the left would have had him assassinated had he won.

Except he didn't lose. Trump won.
Everything I've seen coming out of all of the "battleground" states indicates massive cheating and fraud. The election was stolen. I know it. Most here know it.

Almost all of it, I agree with.

I disagree with the bit at the end about we should be 'happy he lost, it may have kept him alive.'
Reason being, if they'd had the capability, they'd have used it long before the election.

I would have added maybe a bullet point about all the ineffectual and/or non prosecution of the Lois Lerners (IRS weaponizer) and Hillary (evidence destruction, etc. etc.) and leakers, versus, for example, the SWAT-team arrest (with CNN just happening to be standing by) of non-violent Trump team member Roger Stone and the treatment of, say General Flynn.

That contrast did not and does not argue for 'justice is blind' or 'rule of law' being active.

And it's 'another brick in the wall' for those of us paying attention.

No matter what happens, be very grateful we had 4 years of Donald Trump.

The radical left and the deep state have been exposed. Few of us had any idea how bad things are.

Donald Trump became the lightning rod for all their attacks but they had to come out of the shadows for those attacks.

SDY….I agree with your above statement wholeheartedly

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Originally posted by sdy:
Few of us had any idea how bad things are.

I thought I had an idea until I watched the documentary, "The Plot Against The President". Good GOD!!!! Our Government is wicked, tainted, and corrupted to the CORE!!! Even from the "Republicans"......

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Originally posted by erj_pilot:

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Originally posted by sdy:
Few of us had any idea how bad things are.

I thought I had an idea until I watched the documentary, "The Plot Against The President". Good GOD!!!! Our Government is wicked, tainted, and corrupted to the CORE!!! Even from the "Republicans"......

Amen. Basically before this we were naive children who believed in tales of Santa Claus. Afterwards, “the scales fell from our eyes” and we the depth of rot came out - not just in government but in our press. Time to grow up, put on a belt and go to work.

Gave up after a few paragraphs. Didn't understand the numbering system and what it means.

From the first few paragraphs. There was probably fraud, not as widespread as many think. They won the election by changing the election process right before the election. Mail in ballots to every address in Google maps plus a massive disinformation program by MSM, Blue Checkmarks, every Democrat is what led to his loss.

It's simple as that, non voters voted because they made it so easy to vote and they were prisoners in their own home, what else would they do with their free time?

We got out played from the get go. Maybe Dominion or local polling stations cheated, those votes (if true) are insignificant compared to the wholesale changes to how people vote (without legislative changes), boredom, and the planets best disinformation program in human existence are what made Biden the most popular president in American history.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
Gave up after a few paragraphs. Didn't understand the numbering system and what it means.

They're Tweets. There's a character limit. Ignore the goofy formatting it yields and you'll get a good read out of it regardless.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
The rest of the post.

Jesse... is that really you? Did someone hijack your account recently or something?

Tucker Carlson read from this tonight for about seven minutes. I've never before seen him read anything remotely near that length.
Find the clips of tonight's show and it is at the beginning.

It was easier to understand than trying to read the text.

I did think it an excellent summary of where We are now and how we got here.

I have my problems with Tucker in regard to his health reporting, specifically about the COVID vaccines, but he is often right on the money.

At first, I didn't read through the OP as it was hard to follow as Skins said. But sjtill saying it was read on the air made me go back and read it.

Okay, so I read it. And after reading it, I'm depressed.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
Gave up after a few paragraphs. Didn't understand the numbering system and what it means.

From the first few paragraphs. There was probably fraud, not as widespread as many think. They won the election by changing the election process right before the election. Mail in ballots to every address in Google maps plus a massive disinformation program by MSM, Blue Checkmarks, every Democrat is what led to his loss.

It's simple as that, non voters voted because they made it so easy to vote and they were prisoners in their own home, what else would they do with their free time?

We got out played from the get go. Maybe Dominion or local polling stations cheated, those votes (if true) are insignificant compared to the wholesale changes to how people vote (without legislative changes), boredom, and the planets best disinformation program in human existence are what made Biden the most popular president in American history.

This is a pretty accurate analysis. Our fellow citizens are sketchy as hell and barely literate...we absolutely do not want every person voting.

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
At first, I didn't read through the OP as it was hard to follow as Skins said. But sjtill saying it was read on the air made me go back and read it.

Okay, so I read it. And after reading it, I'm depressed.

Re-read it this morning, yeah it's hard to read, but it's a pretty good whatever it is.

I stopped before I got this far last night, but there were two sections that really bother me or enlightened me, or whatever the right word is.

"This is where people whose political identity was largely defined by a naive belief in what they learned in Civics class began to see the outline of a Regime that crossed all institutional boundaries. Because it had stepped out of the shadows to unite against an interloper. 11/x"

I was one of the naive. I knew there was corruption in government, backroom deals, lies, cheating, and other untold dirty secrets. Stupidity I believed that the ingenious government our forefathers built with it's checks and balances would right the ship if it got too out of hand. Man was I wrong. What a kick in the nuts it was to see it happening right in front of my eyes. The system is irreversibility broken and I've lost hope. It hurts, it's sad, and it's depressing.

"They could have managed the shock if it only involved the government. But the behavior of the corporate press is really what radicalized them. They hate journalists more than they hate any politician or gov't official, because they feel most betrayed by them. 14/x"

Again my naivete shines bright here. I knew the media was left leaning, I knew they pick and choose what they reported on or didn't. I knew they weren't as ethical as I would have hoped they'd be. I had no idea just how corrupted they were. They are supposed to be the fourth check and balance. It's their job to shine a light on the government corruption, not to actively participate in it.

These two paragraphs/tweets/whatever are what really crushes my soul. I don't know of any path back to what our country used to be, or what I stupidly thought it was. Almost makes me want to give up, stop voting, and only worry about what I can directly control in life. The only thing that keeps me from doing that is I don't want to hand them that victory. It's hard to wake up and feel great about being in the best country in the world knowing how broken it truly is, but I will fight on, knowing that I'm fighting an impossible battle. I'm not sure how much longer I can do it, but today, and for tomorrow I still have a little strength left in me, but I feel like a fighter in the fifteenth round against a much stronger opponent.