"Life has a melody, Gaius. A rhythm of notes which become your existence once played in harmony with God's plan. God has a plan, Gaius. He has a plan for everything, and everyone." –Number Six, BG

Somehow, I don't think a woman running around with a Floppy Ferret in her pants is part of God's plan.

H&K-Guy

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Originally posted by H&K-Guy:
"Life has a melody, Gaius. A rhythm of notes which become your existence once played in harmony with God's plan. God has a plan, Gaius. He has a plan for everything, and everyone." –Number Six, BG

Somehow I don't think a woman running around with a Floppy Ferret is part of God's plan.

H&K-Guy

In Genesis 1:27, it states, "God created mankind in His own image, in the image of God He created them; male and female He created them."

A man claiming to be a woman or a woman claiming to be a man - it's all about rebellion.

Well, I guess Trump can just forget about all the gay votes he got. And the newspaper votes, and the lying MSM. Oh wait. He didn't get those votes. Maybe this is payback time for them.

Tax dollars should be spent on bullets, not hormone therapy.

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Originally posted by lastmanstanding:
Well this ex SEAL Team 6 member has a issue with Trump. Meet me face to face he er, I mean she said and tell me I'm not worthy!

1. She was a he when it served as a SEAL.
2. Being violent toward the President is another sign of mental disorder.
3. The military has psychological counseling centers, but the military is not a psychological counseling center.



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Why is everyone lumping gays and transgender together? I'm no expert but a trans man that thinks he is a woman and prefers men, wouldn't he/she see themselves as a heterosexual woman?

In my mind they are two entirel different things. A gay person has a sexual preference for people of the same sex/gender (yes I said the G word).

A transgender is somebody with a whole different level of fucked up mental illness. Yes that's an intolerant insensitive point of view but that's how I see it. It's not normal. I recognize their mental illness, they should too.

That said - I was fucking ecstatic when I first saw this. How refreshing to have a decisive leader with a pair. MAGA!

I don't see the big deal. What percent of the general population are we talking about? What percent of the military population are we talking about?
Lets argue about left handed albinos voting Green Party fer chrisakes.

Lets just run some numbers:

http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1530.html how much THIS issue costs the military

http://www.militarytimes.com/p...viagra-similar-meds/ how much other things cost the military

So we spend maybe 10 times more for boner pills.
AND we pay $62.00 per pill.
THERE is something to get your panties in a twist about.

Well, the Leftists are saying that there are thousands of transgenders serving in the military successfully. Really? I have my doubts about that. To start with, I doubt that there are thousands serving at all, and then I further doubt that most of those are successful at it. No doubt there are some jobs that they are able to fill, but one can find jobs for blind and deaf people, and those without limbs, too--that does not mean we should enlist them.

flashguy

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Originally posted by Ke Bo Li:
I don't see the big deal. What percent of the general population are we talking about?

Shit, while we're at it, why not let in those who self-identify as a different race. Or those who self-identify as a horse. Or those who self-identify as Benjamin Franklin or a Five Guys hamburger. Why not?

Oh yeah, these cases would receive a Chapter 5, paragraph 13 discharge.

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Originally posted by TigerDore:

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Originally posted by lastmanstanding:
Well this ex SEAL Team 6 member has a issue with Trump. Meet me face to face he er, I mean she said and tell me I'm not worthy!

1. She was a he when it served as a SEAL.
2. Being violent toward the President is another sign of mental disorder.
3. The military has psychological counseling centers, but the military is not a psychological counseling center.
.

Yep, yep, and yep.

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Originally posted by Ke Bo Li:
I don't see the big deal. What percent of the general population are we talking about? What percent of the military population are we talking about?
Lets argue about left handed albinos voting Green Party fer chrisakes.

Lets just run some numbers:

http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR1530.html how much THIS issue costs the military

http://www.militarytimes.com/p...viagra-similar-meds/ how much other things cost the military

So we spend maybe 10 times more for boner pills.
AND we pay $62.00 per pill.
THERE is something to get your panties in a twist about.

To your point.

The "percentage" is so damned small, yet it has a tremendous effect of bringing a tremendous negative impact to the standing military and it's ability to do its mission.

That is enough to cut it off at the fucking knees.

Or, in G.I. speak; "Fuck a bunch of goddamned nonsense!"

That is all.

As you were.

Meanwhile, good men and women who have served with distinction and with the spirit and intent of serving one's nation, and not looking for some "gimmes", languish in a screwed up, bloated VA system, run by "more of the same" self serving types.

Yeah, my eighty-whities are in a fucking bunch.

You loose friends who put it on the fucking line, it tends to stay with you.

And those who understand, don't need the explanation.

Those who never did, will never get it, no matter how much it is explained.

This only serves for those in the middle who have not experienced it, but will, that they do not walk that path alone.

For those, I will not be silent.

Let those with the "gender confusion" find some other place to un-fuck their heads.

The military ain't the place.

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Originally posted by oddball:

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Originally posted by Ke Bo Li:
I don't see the big deal. What percent of the general population are we talking about?

Shit, while we're at it, why not let in those who self-identify as a different race. Or those who self-identify as a horse. Or those who self-identify as Benjamin Franklin or a Five Guys hamburger. Why not?

Indeed. Why not put this guy on an espionage team?

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Originally posted by oddball:

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Originally posted by Ke Bo Li:
I don't see the big deal. What percent of the general population are we talking about?

Shit, while we're at it, why not let in those who self-identify as a different race. Or those who self-identify as a horse. Or those who self-identify as Benjamin Franklin or a Five Guys hamburger. Why not?

Oh yeah, these cases would receive a Chapter 5, paragraph 13 discharge.

Then perhaps that's the answer
Personally I don't care if they stand on their head to pee or not, all I care about is can they and are they doing the job?
Were the tires on that jet installed properly?
Is the carrier reactor being properly maintained?
Are the correct throats being slit?

Getting the job done is what matters. Its all that matters.
Petty details about other peoples personal lives? I don't read the Enquirer.

Nobody talks about Audie Murphy being only 5'6" do they?

Being from Portland, OR is automatic qualification for Chapter 5, paragraph 13 discharge, no questions asked.

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Originally posted by kimber1911:
Being from Portland, OR is automatic qualification for Chapter 5, paragraph 13 discharge, no questions asked.

Merely living here friend.

But feel free to carry on with personal attacks.
I've got a job, so bed time for me.
Rant all night if it pleases you.

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Originally posted by Ke Bo Li:

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Originally posted by oddball:

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Originally posted by Ke Bo Li:
I don't see the big deal. What percent of the general population are we talking about?

Shit, while we're at it, why not let in those who self-identify as a different race. Or those who self-identify as a horse. Or those who self-identify as Benjamin Franklin or a Five Guys hamburger. Why not?

Oh yeah, these cases would receive a Chapter 5, paragraph 13 discharge.

Then perhaps that's the answer
Personally I don't care if they stand on their head to pee or not, all I care about is can they and are they doing the job?
Were the tires on that jet installed properly?
Is the carrier reactor being properly maintained?
Are the correct throats being slit?

Getting the job done is what matters. Its all that matters.
Petty details about other peoples personal lives? I don't read the Enquirer.

That's all well and good, but it's also not what was happening.

Are you completely ignoring the hundreds of thousands of man hours that were being spent on tranny sensitivity training, promulgating rules and regs, then having to educate and indoctrinate on them?

For every hour in a classroom, that's one hour less being taught how to install tires on that jet. One hour less being taught how to maintain the carrier's reactors. One hour less being taught how to most efficiently slit the correct throats. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of hours not being spent actually doing those jobs.

This was a full-on social experiment, not just an "open the doors and let them in if they want" thing.

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Nobody talks about Audie Murphy being only 5'6" do they?

Actually, they do - all the time. It's one of those things that made him Audie Murphy and adds quite a lot of color to his biography.

-Rob

Did you hear about the gay lesbian?
She liked men.

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Originally posted by BurtonRW:

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Originally posted by Ke Bo Li:

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Originally posted by oddball:

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Originally posted by Ke Bo Li:
I don't see the big deal. What percent of the general population are we talking about?

Shit, while we're at it, why not let in those who self-identify as a different race. Or those who self-identify as a horse. Or those who self-identify as Benjamin Franklin or a Five Guys hamburger. Why not?

Oh yeah, these cases would receive a Chapter 5, paragraph 13 discharge.

Then perhaps that's the answer
Personally I don't care if they stand on their head to pee or not, all I care about is can they and are they doing the job?
Were the tires on that jet installed properly?
Is the carrier reactor being properly maintained?
Are the correct throats being slit?

Getting the job done is what matters. Its all that matters.
Petty details about other peoples personal lives? I don't read the Enquirer.

That's all well and good, but it's also not what was happening.

Are you completely ignoring the hundreds of thousands of man hours that were being spent on tranny sensitivity training, promulgating rules and regs, then having to educate and indoctrinate on them?

For every hour in a classroom, that's one hour less being taught how to install tires on that jet. One hour less being taught how to maintain the carrier's reactors. One hour less being taught how to most efficiently slit the correct throats. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of hours not being spent actually doing those jobs.

This was a full-on social experiment, not just an "open the doors and let them in if they want" thing.

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Nobody talks about Audie Murphy being only 5'6" do they?

Actually, they do - all the time. It's one of those things that made him Audie Murphy and adds quite a lot of color to his biography.

-Rob

Add up the cost of all those manpower hours.

2,000,000 or so active/reserve at $50 per hour pay/benefits for just one hour in their entire career of trans sensitivity training. Equals $100,000,000. Divide that by $5,000,000 or so per M1A2 Abrams. So that one hour (I'm guessing more than an hour over a career, but let's just use one for this example) cost us 20 bad ass tanks.

How much did it cost to come up with that curriculum? I'm guessing another tank or two after getting reviewed by legal, produced, and disseminated.

Then there the surgery costs and monthly hormone treatments, how many tanks does that buy you?

Regardless of your feelings for or against them serving, it's just too much of an expense. I'll take the tanks over the trannies please.

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Originally posted by BurtonRW:

This was a full-on social experiment, not just an "open the doors and let them in if they want" thing.

Yep. All these folks crying about how they want to be "treated like everyone else". Yet once in the door they demand special facilities, special medical care, and "sensitivity training" for everyone else. You want to be treated like everyone else? Then just jump in the pool and swim like everyone else. Not "let me in like everyone else, but then give me all sorts of special (expensive) benefits like everyone else."

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Originally posted by Ke Bo Li:

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Originally posted by oddball:

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Originally posted by Ke Bo Li:
I don't see the big deal. What percent of the general population are we talking about?

Shit, while we're at it, why not let in those who self-identify as a different race. Or those who self-identify as a horse. Or those who self-identify as Benjamin Franklin or a Five Guys hamburger. Why not?

Oh yeah, these cases would receive a Chapter 5, paragraph 13 discharge.

Then perhaps that's the answer....

Getting the job done is what matters. Its all that matters.
Petty details about other peoples personal lives? I don't read the Enquirer

Concur, the job is all that matters. Trannies are undeployable for a long time while going through elective surgery. And austere deployed facilities will have to be upgraded to keep them in, along with logistics for medical. Unlike homosexual or racial integration, these people added significant cost while subtracting from our mission capability just by their very existence.

If they want to be trannies after they serve and pay their own money to do so that's fine with me. I'm a big fan of personal freedom. But integrating someone into a unit who is going through this long and expensive procedure was an obstacle to the mission.

It's supposed to be about the military and serving your country, not about you getting your gender reassignment treatments and surgery on our dime. You want to do the job, then shut the fuck up and do the job - DADT and all that. You get wounded fighting for our country you get the best medical care we can provide, you want your dick cut off to become Jane, sorry GTFO and pay for that yourself.