quote:

Originally posted by 220-9er:
Never heard of him.

Me, either, and I don't agree with him on this issue. I think a more rational (but unpopular with Leftists) approach would be to insist that every child receive proper training in school regarding use of and safety in handling of firearms. Such training used to be common from parents to children, but nowadays too many parents are themselves not properly trained in those issues.

flashguy

Seeing the thread title, I had no idea who this guy was, thinking to myself, "just another leftist scum". Reading this thread, I realize who he was, and my opinion of him became even worse. Guys who profess to be supporters of the Second Amendment, but who spout the type of garbage like this guy does, are even more dangerous than the gun grabbing commies, imo. And I don't GAF if you served.

What does 'won over' mean? That the 'them' despise the NRA less? That 'their' opinion has gone from anti to neutral? Did the 'them' join the NRA? Will 10,000 AR-15s that would otherwise not be sold be bought? What is the metric?

IMO, that guy is just blowing smoke out of his ass.

When there are very wealthy and very powerful folks out there who have dedicated their lives to removing guns from the common man, giving one inch is a chink in the armor that offers the anti-folks hope. I am disappointed with his response.

quote:

Originally posted by flashguy:

quote:

Originally posted by 220-9er:
Never heard of him.

Me, either, and I don't agree with him on this issue. I think a more rational (but unpopular with Leftists) approach would be to insist that every child receive proper training in school regarding use of and safety in handling of firearms. Such training used to be common from parents to children, but nowadays too many parents are themselves not properly trained in those issues.

flashguy

They cannot and never will do that. Exposure goes directly against the ideology. It's also dangerous for them, as people who get into shooting sports rapidly become less and less antigun.

I actually received a response to my email to Kennedy; methinks he doth protest too much...

“If they are good kids I couldn’t image a better present. I at 18 wasn’t mature enough to get one. Pretty amazing that your kids are. That speaks volumes to you as a parent and to your kids. Congrats! I LOVE FN. This is one of my favorites right now. https://fnamerica.com/products/rifles/fn-15-dmr-ii/ . The FN 15 is just as good and a little cheaper.
Regarding the Lance interview:
If you take a step back for a second and think about what I’m trying to do here. I’m trying to have a conversation. A discussion with somebody that completely disagrees with everything that we fight for. In that one conversation. I Perhaps won over 10,000 new people to our side. In the process never called anyone names. Just opened a bunch of peoples eyes that we the people that love the Second Amendment can still have a rational conversation. I’ve done thousands of interviews and podcasts. All of them fighting for our gun rights. Yet here you are demonstrating why this is such a divided nation. I standby how I talked to Lance. I’m thankful that we have thousands of new people that are supporting the Second Amendment because of the conversation and disappointed in you for wasting your time attacking somebody that is on the same side instead of following my example and trying to win over others to protecting the Constitution.

STOP believing what other people write about me or looking at a single example with out considering the WHY of what I said. My position to be perfectly clear is that I support the Second Amendment. I’ve sworn to protect the Constitution to fight for it against foreign and domestic enemies. I’m a gun owner. I’m a businessman that teaches people how to shoot and how to use weapons to protect themselves.
I believe a well regulated militia specifically refers to a law-abiding citizen and that citizens should have the means of overthrowing a corrupt government if necessary. I am pro- Second Amendment in every single imaginable way. I have fought for it in more ways than anyone I know. I have the courage to have a conversation with anyone, especially those that disagree with me and not attack them.
If we can’t discuss ideas, particularly ones that challenge our beliefs, we are cowards. I welcome gun control discussion, even though I am adamantly against it, because we cannot solve the problems we do have in our society without those conversations.

I’ll be at the NRA convention next weekend supporting an organization I firmly believe in and support, and welcome discussion with any of you in attendance or even protesting it.

I believe the right to bear arms is not only a constitutional right but a natural right, and that a well-regulated militia is an individual law abiding American, standing ready to protect Home and property, and in the worst case, against a tyrannical government.

Thank you.

Tim Kennedy

^^^the same canned response he gave to David W, as seen on Page 2, with an added note of congratulations.

quote:

Originally posted by gearhounds:

“If they are good kids I couldn’t image a better present. I at 18 wasn’t mature enough to get one. Pretty amazing that your kids are.

For me this says volume about Tim Kennedy. It is very liberal to project your failings on others. Wolf in sheep's clothing. The man is not only not doing pro-gun folks any favors, it would seem he is actually the opposition whether he realizes it or not.

I don't see how he squares his comments that 18 year olds should not be allowed to own ARs with his profession of unwavering support for the 2A. Engaging in a dialogue about gun control is fine, but walking back rights does not look like supporting it to me.

Where does he stand on 18 year-olds being allowed to vote?

Can there be some "nuance" on this issue ?

Generally speaking, I seem to be pretty ultra-conservative on the 2nd Amend.

But society also has to make a choice about when young people are officially considered "adults".
I think it would be a lot simpler if it was all 21, and that includes firearm purchase, ownership, alcohol, and VOTING.
A special privilege for active military on all those seems reasonable.

"Minors" could still shoot and use guns, but under adult supervision.

By having a discrepancy in age on the various issues gives the Left the pretext to have the lowest of all ages be the voting age.

I should probably add that I was shooting .30 cal rifles at about 8 or 9, and owned my own semi-auto 22 at about 12 and used to go rabbit hunting, unsupervised, on the deserts of Idaho. So it certainly seems safe and reasonable for a lot of young people. But it is a different culture today. I wouldn't be upset in the trade-offs if they made everything a uniform 21 years old. I certainly don't support restricting everything EXCEPT voting to 21!

With respect to the age thing, this is all hinging around the age of the Florida Shooter. It is, of course, another way the left can restrict the Second Amendment. The real question that needs to be asked is, whether it was his age that was a factor in him doing what he did, or "something else". The answer is obviously "something else". The reason was he was an angry emotionally disturbed person who had the emotional maturity of a 13 year old.

If we are going to regulate guns based on something, then let's, at least, regulate them based on the factors that contributed to the crime, and that might actually prevent the next occurrence. Let's not punish all the other under 21 year olds who are, or will be responsible safe gun owners.

Who is Tim Kennedy and why should I care in the least about what he thinks, and why is there no link to a news article in the first post of this thread?

Link should appear in that post by the end of today or I am locking this useless thread.

quote:

Originally posted by parabellum:
Who is Tim Kennedy and why should I care in the least about what he thinks, and why is there no link to a news article in the first post of this thread?

Link should appear in that post by the end of today or I am locking this useless thread.

Sorry, I'm not very proficient at that sort of thing, but shall give it a try.

Every news item must be accompanied by a link.

And again, who cares what some random person thinks? Why should we care?

quote:

Originally posted by parabellum:
Every news item must be accompanied by a link.

And again, who cares what some random person thinks? Why should we care?

Not everyone will. I just find it interesting that a self proclaimed defender of our way of life would remove rights from others that he himself enjoyed.

quote:

Originally posted by David W:

quote:

Originally posted by arfmel:
Tim has apparently never figured out that compromising with people whose goal is the complete confiscation of all privately held weapons is a terrible idea.

That's exactly what I took away from his interview and his reply to me.

At least you received what appears to be an original response (unless he simply cut and pasted for you too). I got your response with a short blurb at the beginning.

quote:

Originally posted by Ronin1069:
Come on man, Tim Kennedy may be a lot of things, but a “pussy”? No.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Kennedy_(fighter)

I doubt there are many here who would say that to his face. I disagree with him on his AR15 opinion, but he is a genuine badass.



.

.

So, he's some fighter. What do the other seven billion people in the world think?

He's also a former Green Beret that has served this country in combat. He gets my respect for that, even if I disagree with him.



.