Headed for a Court-Martial, doubt the USAF JAG/OSI will like this.

July 04, 2026, 12:18 PM

SIGguy229

quote:
Originally posted by Poacher:
He will get an Article 15 and reduction in rank to O-3 and put out of the service with no retirement or benefits other than what he qualifies from the VA.

Nope...that MFer is getting a court-martial for Article 88, 133, 134...slam dunk case...and he will be CM'd in Germany since his unit of assignment is in Europe...and press can't get on-base unless allowed, plus cameras aren't allowed in military court martials.

July 04, 2026, 12:31 PM

Scooter123

My BIL was an AF JAG for 32 years before he retired at the Rank of Colonel. At one point he was responsible for busting a Colonel back to Captain with a forced retirement. BTW the crime was putting his wife in the hospital with multiple breaks that Medical stated were not consistent with falling down a flight of stairs. He wanted to take it to a Court Marshal but higher up's passed the word down that they wanted this man gone gone gone ASAP without any word to the Press. He did see to it what while in the Hospital the wife did have a long talk with a very good local Lawyer.

This is a case that have consequences that go well beyond just that stunt at the Capitol. Every officer involved with his last promotion will have their records and credentials checked. In addition I expect that because the Press is involved the actions the JAG office take will either to sweep it under a rug so the story dies quickly or they will go full on with a very public Court Marshal and a long prison sentence. With Trump in Office and multiple past Assignation Attempts I expect that they will throw every book related to this at this MORON.

July 04, 2026, 12:44 PM

229DAK

quote:
Originally posted by Graniteguy:
He is a commissioned officer, so retirement benefits can be secured as early as 8 years.

Source?

July 04, 2026, 01:54 PM

Doc H.

quote:
Originally posted by 229DAK:
quote:
Originally posted by Graniteguy:
He is a commissioned officer, so retirement benefits can be secured as early as 8 years.
Source?

Maybe some confusion over his active duty service commitment (ADSC) - all academy graduates incur a basic ADSC of 5 years active duty, plus 3 years inactive reserve. A direct non-rated commission incurs generally a 4 year ADSC, plus 4 years inactive reserve. You cannot voluntarily separate until your ADSC is fulfilled (with some exceptions). You can also be involuntarily recalled until your entire obligation is fulfilled (ADSC + IR). A regular Air Force office can be recalled indefinitely even after retirement, subject to the pleasure of the President and the needs of the service. Neither has anything to do with retirement, except counting as time served. My recollection as a regular Air Force office serving as an assignment and promotion boards officer for the Medical Service at AFPC (Air Force Personnel Center) at Randolph AFB.

July 04, 2026, 05:10 PM

229DAK

So what retirement benefits does one get after 8 years?

July 04, 2026, 05:18 PM

darthfuster

2 years ago an Airman self immolated in front of the Israeli Embassy in DC

July 04, 2026, 05:50 PM

Doc H.

quote:
Originally posted by 229DAK:
So what retirement benefits does one get after 8 years?

The correct answer would be none. You need 20 years of creditable service, which can include training pre-enlistment or commissioning in some circumstances, enlisted time in the case of officers, National Guard or Reserve time, prior AD time, and rarely some special circumstances, but a total of 20 years. Nineteen years, 364 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes does not qualify.

July 04, 2026, 07:45 PM

sigfreund

Thanks, Doc H.; always good to get knowledgeable responses.

July 04, 2026, 08:13 PM

AllenInAR

quote:
Originally posted by Doc H.:
quote:
Originally posted by 229DAK:
So what retirement benefits does one get after 8 years?

The correct answer would be none. You need 20 years of creditable service, which can include training pre-enlistment or commissioning in some circumstances, enlisted time in the case of officers, National Guard or Reserve time, prior AD time, and rarely some special circumstances, but a total of 20 years. Nineteen years, 364 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes does not qualify.

Not necessarily. He may be in that window that allowed service members to choose between the traditional retirement and the new Blended Retirement System. Anyone who joined after 1 January 2018 gets the BRS.

July 04, 2026, 08:21 PM

Gustofer

A Major is, what, four years as a Captain (which is six years...unless a direct commission as are MDs for example). So, I'd guess he's got 10ish years in, which would probably put him outside of that window.

July 04, 2026, 08:32 PM

AllenInAR

My son joined in....2015ish? He could opt between the two IIRC. So it was a pretty big window.

July 04, 2026, 08:34 PM

sigfreund

quote:
Originally posted by sigfreund:
According to an article, he went to the Air Force Academy in 2005 and on active duty in 2009. That would have given him 17 years of AD; cadet time for commissioned officers doesn’t count for time in service or retirement, according to the same Internet source about the question.

July 04, 2026, 08:52 PM

229DAK

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cadet time for commissioned officers doesn’t count for time in service or retirement, according to the same Internet source about the question

That is true.

July 04, 2026, 08:54 PM

229DAK

quote:
Originally posted by Doc H.:
quote:
Originally posted by 229DAK:
So what retirement benefits does one get after 8 years?
The correct answer would be none. You need 20 years of creditable service, which can include training pre-enlistment or commissioning in some circumstances, enlisted time in the case of officers, National Guard or Reserve time, prior AD time, and rarely some special circumstances, but a total of 20 years. Nineteen years, 364 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes does not qualify.

I was trying to find out from Graniteguy what he used for a source for the 8 years.

July 04, 2026, 09:09 PM

Graniteguy

Guys - my bad on the 8 years. I was thinking of something different pertaining to commissioned officers vs. enlisted.

July 04, 2026, 09:12 PM

Doc H.

quote:
Originally posted by AllenInAR:
quote:
Originally posted by Doc H.:
quote:
Originally posted by 229DAK:
So what retirement benefits does one get after 8 years?

The correct answer would be none. You need 20 years of creditable service, which can include training pre-enlistment or commissioning in some circumstances, enlisted time in the case of officers, National Guard or Reserve time, prior AD time, and rarely some special circumstances, but a total of 20 years. Nineteen years, 364 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes does not qualify.

Not necessarily. He may be in that window that allowed service members to choose between the traditional retirement and the new Blended Retirement System. Anyone who joined after 1 January 2018 gets the BRS.

Yes and no. Basically the only thing the BRS changed was how you get paid - not the basic requirements for retirement. The "old" system was 2.5% of your "high three" monthly average (highest 36 months of Basic Pay) times years of service (a minimum of 20) for your Defined Benefit (pension). The BRS lowered that to 2%. It added however, a 1% automatic contribution of your base pay by the DoD to the Thrift Savings Plan (TSP - a Federal investment plan), and a match up to 3% of personal contributions (for a total of 4%) for all service members whether on the legacy plan or BRS, which you keep regardless of when you leave the military (or Federal service). It also added continuation bonuses for adding additional ADSCs, and a reduced lump-sum option at retirement rather than a monthly pension (until the member reaches full SS retirement age, when it converts to a monthly pension). It's a fairly complicated system, but the basics are the opportunity for an investment addition for BRS members to compensate for the reduction in the Defined Benefit of the legacy system. It did not alter the time in service requirement for retirement to receive a Defined Benefit pension - which remains 20 years of creditable service. As an addendum, service members with less than 12 years of service prior to 12/31/2017 could opt-in to the BSR in lieu of the legacy system, but I have no idea of the take rate since in general your pension would be reduced. So you could leave with investment $$ prior to retirement eligibility - after completing any ADSC. For 8 years of service that would be whatever you contributed to the TSP (a maximum of 4% matched) from your basic pay invested annually for 7 years (you only become eligible after your first year of service), if you opted to maximize contributions and depending on how well your investments did. That is not, however, a retirement benefit.

July 04, 2026, 09:37 PM

2BobTanner

Commissioned officers have to meet certain time gates for promotion; Time in Grade/Time in Service (TIG/TIS).

Minimum TIG for 1Lt to Capt is 2, with TIS of 4 years. Capt to Major TIG is 4 years, with TIS of 8 years. TIG for Major to LtCol is 6 years, TIS is 14 years. To get a regular military retirement, not caused by a medical reason, requires 20 years of TIS.

Officers passed over for promotion have to have held a commission for 8 years to enable them to be able to retire at the highest officer rank/grade for pay purposes.

Officers who are passed over a second time for promotion, with less than 20 years TIS, may be offered to complete their 20 years as an NCO, minimum rank of E-5.

And yes, I personally know of a pilot officer who didn’t get promoted to Major who later accepted an enlisted rank in order to complete his 20 years as he had prior enlisted time. It was strange seeing pilot wings on a Technical Sergeant (E-6) !!!

And as for that Major who pulled that stunt, he’s going to get a General Court Martial, with sentencing of dismissal from service (dishonorable discharge), and could see time at Ft Leavenworth Disciplinary Barracks.

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